A Government's First Purpose Is To Make A Population Governable

How many ways do those in government do that?

And, given Americans' high religiosity....

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Best, of course, for those who have the grease.

Well put, Daniel.

Thanks for your last paragraph, Daniel.

Daniel, I agree with you.

Daniel, Jefferson's words explain my metaphor well.

Most people just want to get along, providing for their children and their own declining years. A government has to take the predators out.

As to North Korea et cetera, their governments are not restrained by constitutions.

Say what you want about Mel Gibson; the following puts it well and briefly:

You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom. And I go to make sure that they have it.
-- William Wallace, Braveheart

As for the concept of democracy, our 16th president had a few words to say about that:

As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is NO democracy!
-- Abraham Lincoln

Loren, I agree with you and Abe.

tom, where does your statement originate, and how is a government supposed to approach the making of a governable populace?  I think I disagree, but perhaps if I understood what you mean I wouldn't.  (I think the populace is responsible for itself; being civilized is the job of everyone.)

Jerry, I first heard it from an activist in a pro-environment campaign I'd just joined. He had studied sociology and I realized that studying math and science had left me ignorant of politics.

Without  the First Amendment's religion clauses and organizations such as the ACLU and others who support church-state separation, the religious who control the GOP would make the lives of non-believers less free.

While it't prolly pretty well known Tom and I have our disagreements, I feel compelled to come to his defense on this one.

I would NOT say the governments purpose is to make a population governable, HOWEVER when you have a ruling class (such as an oligarchy, or life long politicians etc) this BECOMES the goal not so much of the government per say but of the people that naturally gravitate TO government. The natural tenancy of those in power I think would be to gravitate towards keeping their power, which is I think the root of what Tom is trying to say.

I would agree with Daniel that the responsibility of the government is to its people, and the responsibility of the citizens is to each other. however in practice if we are not vigilant in the rules we enforce and the kinds of people we allow to seek and maintain power what Tom suggest becomes an eventual inevitability.

The primary purpose of any government is protection  from without.  (If you can't protect what you have, your are going to lose it.)  The second most important purpose is protection from within.  The third most important purpose is Justice.  After those three things are in place, it's a toss up to what the people want.

Donald, I want to counter your too-brief summary with the purposes stated in the Constitution's Preamble: "... to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, ...."
Alas, I have to recognize reality; President Obama confirmed to Bill Maher that America wants empire. Some historians say ancient Athens sought empire abroad and lost freedom at home.




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