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America: The Grim Truth


Some of the claims in the article are untrue (70% of taxes going to the military) and others are just nuts (the government is going to lock the place down...they don’t want their “recruits” escaping. They don’t want YOU escaping)


However, let's take a look at the primary claim:

"You (Americans) have the worst quality of life in the developed world – by a wide margin"


and some of the supporting claims

Americans have:

-less access to health care

-poorer diets (less healthy)

-Low quality food (more processed, more contamination, etc)

-More reliance on meds

-Less vacation time (more stress)

-Expensive education (starting life with high debt)

-Greater Debt Overall

-Higher Bankruptucy rates (see above on debts)

-Less freedom (drug tests, surveillence)

-Misinformed citizenry (Fox News, Right/Left wing media)

-An uneducated population

-Corrupt politicians

-Crushing Debt

-etc, etc, etc.


I'd love to hear from anyone, but especially those of you who reside outside of America and can provide objective viewpoints.



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A Day in the Life of a True Libertarian

Joe Libertarian wakes up in the morning and goes to the bathroom. He flushes his toilet and brushes his teeth, mindful that each flush & brush costs him about 43 cents to his privatized water provider. His wacky, liberal neighbor keeps badgering the company to disclose how clean and safe their water is, but no one ever finds out. Just to be safe, Joe Conservative boils his drinking water. 

Joe steps outside and coughs--the pollution is especially bad today, but the smokiest cars are the cheapest ones, so everyone buys 'em. Joe Libertarian checks to make sure he has enough toll money for the 3 different private roads he must drive to work. There is no public transportation, so traffic is backed up and his 10 mile commute takes an hour. 

On the way, he drops his 12 year old daughter off at the clothing factory she works at. Paying for kids to go to private school until they're 18 is a luxury, and Joe needs the extra income coming in. Times are hard and there're no social safety nets. 

He gets to work 5 minutes late and misses the call for Christian prayer, and is immediately docked by his employer. He is not feeling well today, but has no health insurance, since neither his employer nor his government provide it, and paying for it himself is really expensive, since he has a precondition. He just hopes for the best. 

Joe's workday is 12 hours long, because there is no regulation over working hours, and Joe will lose his job if he complains or unionizes. Today is an especially bad day. Joe's manager demands that he work until midnight, a 16 hour day. Joe does, knowing that he'll lose his job if he does not. 

Finally, after midnight, Joe gets to pick up his daughter and go home. His daughter shows him the deep cut she got on the industrial sewing machine today. Joe is outraged and asks why she doesn't have metal mesh gloves or other protection. She says the company will not provide it and she'll have to pay for it out of her own pocket. Joe looks at the wound and decides they'll use an over the counter disinfectant and bandages until it heals. She'll have a scar, but getting stitches at the emergency room is expensive. 

His daughter also complains that the manager made suggestive overtures towards her. Joe counsels her to be a "good girl" and not rock the boat, or she'll get fired and they'll be out the income. 

His daughter says she can't wait until she's 18 so she can vote for change or go to the Iraq War. 

They get home and there's a message from his elderly father who can't afford to pay his medical or heating bills. Joe can hear him coughing and shivering. 

Joe turns on the radio and the top story is a proposal in Congress to raise the voting age to 25. A rare liberal opinionator states that it's an attempt to keep power out of the hands of working class Americans. The conservative host immediately quashes him, calling him "a utopian idealist," and agreeing that people aren't mature enough to make good choices until they're at least 25. 

Joe chuckles at the wine-swilling, cheese eating liberal egghead and thinks, "Thank God I live in America where I have freedom!"
And in the 18th century world that you wish still existed.  Much of it was a common occurrence.
No, to be honest, I would rather be alive now, for I think, obvious reasons. Simply the idea that individuals get to keep the fruits of their labor, as much as possible. Common occurrence? I don't get it.
Study your history.  Otherwise don't boost certain times periods as what to emulate.  You will just come off as  uneducated.
That's productive. I'm not worried about coming off uneducated. I know I'm not. I never said that the 18th century was great. Just talking about individual rights and how those freedoms are being taken away from Americans more and more.
Then when mention the 18th century at all? For those of us who have studied what daily life was back then,  is obvious you have no idea what their "freedom" was like.
Again, I am not now and did not ever suggest that life was better then. Their relative respect for individual rights deserves applause.

"Arbitrary"?  No, I don't think so.  This is pretty much the end game of what you are asking for isn't it (minus the christian prayers)?


Says you. Conjecture.
This noting but a huge appeal to emotion.  I think it's unfair to lump libertarians into one group and say we are all aligned with corporate interest.  I would identify as a libertarian as I believe in individual rights, but I do not see businesses as an individual.  Our current situation is far more complex then this copypasta of some chain email you got.

I cannot think of a more degraded and immoral way of life than that.  How selfish and self-centered can any one person be.

The entire idea of helping others came from family groups to join together to make a stronger bond and work together and prosper.  With talk like yours, the entire system fails from the ground up.


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