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Permalink Reply by chassie on May 29, 2010 at 4:25pm

How can anyone believe in "GOD"
My son is 14 months. 7 surgeries in and blind....
At first i was told to put my faith in god, he will follow through.
Who would put faith in something they have never seen.
if this is gods will to do this to my son, that is the sickest thing ive ever heard.
If one more person says, "well ray charles, lived a sucessful life" actually he was a divorced drug addict.
My family can keep there sugar coated hopes of some man in the sky.
I CHOOSE REALISM, not fantasy.

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Permalink Reply by chassie on May 29, 2010 at 4:48pm

Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Jeffrey Doherty Sr. on June 8, 2010 at 2:02pm

I feel your pain. My 4 month old son was born with spina bifida. My catholic in-laws keep saying that its 'god's plan' and that 'He has His reasons.' What kind of reason can there be in a child destined to live that kind of life. When I bring this reasoning up to my in-laws, I only get the rolling of the eyes with the 'oh-ye-of-little-faith' attitude.

I hate religion, alot.

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Permalink Reply by Sandra Stott on June 10, 2010 at 11:41am

On a different level (not spina bifida, but autism) I got that same arguement from my relatives, involving my first child. They simply have to find some way to cope. Why couldn't they have just been supportive of me, the parent, instead of offering to "pray for me". I'll never figure them out.

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Permalink Reply by chassie on July 22, 2010 at 2:26am

Praying for someone is a useless as it gets. i hope that your feet stay grounded. SCIENCE SAVES not imaginary figures.

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Permalink Reply by chassie on July 22, 2010 at 2:24am

i apologize for the wait. my laptop needed to be fixed. I know that with my son, it is hard for everyone. I wish you the best. Im happy to hear you havent fallen for false hope. Realism is the one thing that will keep you sain.

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Permalink Reply by Sandra Stott on May 30, 2010 at 12:08pm

yes, he's adorable! Big brown eyes!

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Permalink Reply by Shannon on December 17, 2010 at 8:24am

God I hate that stuff. My mother suffered horribly when she was dying of cancer.  Writhing and whimpering in pain and confusion.  I told one person that I wish I could have put her out of her misery.  This person replied that I shouldn't do that because god wasn't done with her.  Maybe god was protecting her.  So god is torturing my mom for his own unfathomable reason that we cannot know.  God is working thru her pain to teach her or her family somthing?  I actually controlled myself, probably just too tired on death watch to scream at her, "It's god, why can't he do this up in heaven?"

 

Another person asked if I really knew my mother was suffering.  As if a person in agony and suffering from mental distress at her predicament was faking it or if god had magically taken her pain and just left behind the signs of said pain.  Im still mad at this person.  However Im still civil and working towards forgiving her because her partner is my best friend.

 

I don't think that people even realize how cruel their god is and how their delusion makes them culpable in the emotional cruelty set down inthe bible and it's institutions.  I stil feel sick to my stomach over everything that went on when my mom was dying.

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Permalink Reply by Jo Jerome on May 31, 2010 at 9:07pm

Just now, sitting in a grocery store deli, woman reads my Magellan t-shirt ("The Church says the Earth is flat but I know it is round for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church"). The woman strikes me as submissive, mousey, dependent.

Woman: "Well, I have faith in god."

Me: "And some have faith in Zeus."

Woman: "That's their right."

Me: "No, that's their faith, no less strong than yours. Why don't you believe in Zeus?"

Woman: "Well, ummm, I don't know about Zeus..."

Me: "So Zeus is not the god you were raised to believe?"

Woman: "I wasn't raised in any faith. God found me later."

Me: "And how do you know it was God who found you and not Zeus, or a delusion?"

Woman: "I just know. Inside. I have faith. God spoke to me, not Zeus."

Me: "So what about the person who has faith that Zeus speaks to them and your god is a delusion? How do we prove which one of you is right and which one of you is deluded?"

Woman: "Well, I just know."

Me: "So does the person who believes in Zeus. They also 'just know.' So I guess we'll never know which of you is really talking to God or Zeus and which one of you is deluded, eh?"

Woman: "I guess."

-_-

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Permalink Reply by Jeffrey P. Murphy on June 1, 2010 at 12:23am

Two anecdotes:
Junior year, an exchange between myself and a girl I used to crush on (I lost the crush before this, but this would've destroyed it - the general question posed to the class being "Would god justify a call to arms for any purpose whatever?"

Me: I don't think I could properly answer as I don't believe in a god.
Girl: Wait, you don't believe in God? (note the difference in terminology)
Me: No, I don't believe in *ANY* gods, let alone the judeo-christian one.
Girl: Awww!!!! You're going to Hell!!!!
Me: Convenient that I don't believe in that either.

The following, I've received in various forms (including the 'devil-worship' one, though thankfully that has fallen off in recent years):

Woman: So, you're not getting your son baptized? Why? Don't you know what could happen to his soul.
Me: Well, if I don't believe in a god, what religion should I baptize him?
Woman: You don't believe in God? (again, the phraseology)
Me: No.
Woman: So, then, what do you believe in? (with the tone of 'then what God do you subscribe to)
Me: I wouldn't replace on god with another if I don't believe in either.

I also didn't circumcise my son (and there's no decent medical reason to do so - uncut is as nature, and the pre-abramic yahweh intended), as an additional FYI.

I don't get the "but you're such a decent person" commentary, cuz I'm actually a pretty big @$$hole. Most often, people equate me to "intellectual arrogance and condescension" (that *IS* a direct quote). I always tell them "then get smarter and I won't have to be so arrogant and condescending"....and one can see how I've earned the reputation I have.

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Permalink Reply by Michael on June 1, 2010 at 10:43am

You know... I have never had anyone question me negatively about being atheist. It wasn't til recently that I even knew that religious people would try to give normal people a hard time... that would appear to me like a fat kid picking on a fit kid for being in shape.

As far as with people my age... I didn't really know there was young people who really believe that shit. I know my high school had at less 20 religious kids in it... because for about 2weeks, they wanted to have a prayer circle in the exact spot that me and my friends hung out in the morning, i guess after we start worshiping with them (to the obvious true god, the sun god) the decided to relocate to an unknown location.

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Permalink Reply by Olga Spelts (Human Bean) on June 10, 2010 at 12:13pm

My former roomate came and asked me nicely if I wanted to go to palm sunday with her and I said no and that I was an atheist. She seemed kind of overapologetic and I was like, I'm not going to bite your head off!


There was also a time when I was walking campus and some church club came and asked people if they'd like to take a survey on religion. I thought it was just to see the make up of the student body and the religious or non religious views. When I told them I was an atheist I got a dirty look and they abruptly pulled away. So much for Christian niceness, LOL! However on my campus I know alot of people who identify as atheists. Its not even that I'm seeking them out. For example in one of my former philosophy classes 8 out of 10 identified as atheists.

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