Loren asked a question the other day, wondering if the real reason for the anti-Obama sentiment was race related. i'm starting to think that is the most likely cause. the linked article discusses 2 cases of GTP (formerly GOP) authorities caught forwarding blatantly racist Obama hate emails.
additionally, an Alaska man is suing to keep Obama off of the Presidential ballot because he is black, and he believes that the 14th Ammendment was ratified improperly or illegally. (http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/760-alask...)
besides the color of his skin, what has Obama done that is so hateable? ok, there is the debt issue. of course, it might have happened no matter who was elected President, but i'll give them that one.
what else? not enough drilling? stopping the Canadian pipeline? oil prices in general? taxes?
i can see not liking the current President, no matter who he is, for all sorts of reasons. but the immense hate that you get from the anti-Obama crowd is delerious. they would vote for the Grand Wizard of the KKK before voting for Obama. actually, the Wizard might beat him in a landslide.
Jim, while i agree wholeheartedly about the state of things when Obama took office, i'm not willing to concede that the economy is steadily improving.
i'm hopeful that a rising stock market is a leading indicator that we are indeed on the upswing, but i'm not convinced that it is. individual companies are doing better, yes. they have streamlined, cut labor costs, and have seen natural revenue increases over time, largely due to population growth. how that translates to the average person is less clear.
until true job growth is seen, and until housing prices bottom out, the overall economy will not improve. most of the reduction in unemployment has to do with the process of counting. Conservatives are right to question the unemployment rate as it does not tell the whole story. the real unemployment rate is still north of 15% (counting those who are underemployed or no longer qualify for unemployment benefits).
none of this is to say it's Obama's fault. far from it. i believe there is still a lot of work to be done. i'm hoping for a major Democratic win in November, hopefully giving Obama a Congress he can work with and finally start to make real reform.
"Conservatives are right to question the unemployment rate"
That's true, but conservatives won't take the responsibility for their very significant role in creating the problem under the leadership of Dubya and Darth. Nor have they contributed to a solution with anything except obstruction (heavily larded with stupid).
I'm at a loss to understanding how contraception and snobs that go to college impact the job market or the deficit … I must not have been paying attention to the clown car.
Obama has started to use his bully pulpit effectively (3 years late) and I believe he is setting the stage for his second term. And, if we get a Democratic majority in both houses i hope he will strike bipartainship from his vocabulary.
i think what happens is this: many of these folks run for office without any real background in anything but politics. when elected on the heels of sweeping economic reform rhetoric they find themselves at a loss. they don't have any big answers. they haven't the first clue how to legislate their way out of a financial mess. so they legislate on social issues where they feel they have a moticum of insight. too bad their insight comes from their Bible and their priests.
these are not our best and brightest. those rare, successful, intelligent creatures want nothing to do with Congress, be it Federal, State, or Local. and why should they? they are business leaders who actually get things done at their companies. they are Professors who love what they do. they are executives of philanthropic organizations. they are doctors and scientists. why throw yourself into the pit with the ignorant pols who take their ball and go home whenever they don't get their way?
we need a new breed of politician. we need a 3rd or even 4th party to break the gridlock that is our polarized Congress. we need campaign reform that makes sense. we need to stop electing bumbling fools to our local offices. most of all, we need reasonable, smart people to be running our country instead of the clusterfuck that calls itself Congress.
hey, i just said that is what we need, not that it is realistic :)
I agree with you (ECHO ECHO Echo echo .....) I certainly wish that the republican party, or conservatives, would come up with a viable alternative. It's not good having one side being fairly reasonable and the other side being so strange. Maybe that's just my bias. But as it is, they just seem able to create one scary monster after another. Now with Rickzilla santorensis, it's just too much to bear.
President Clinton was pretty thoroughly hated, leading Hillary Clinton to discuss the "vast right wing conspiracy". Considering the hole that Obama has been digging us out of, I think he's one of the most gifted presidents in my lifetime. It is true that the right wing is against many of the Obama ideals and policies, and I think their attitude is "power at any cost" as opposed to "I have ideals that can make America a better place, and make America better for Americans". I think they will use any tool, including racism, to achieve their goals. In addition, having had a few unwanted conversations with tea partiers, at least the few that I spoke with were virulently racist.
Matthew, I was an Obama enthusiastic during his campaign and liked the position he took on all the issues, including women's health, environment, labor relations, banking and finance, I liked the advisers he chose for his campaign, I liked his attitude, his strength and determination, and integrity ... I could go on, but you should have the picture by now. I voted for him with great glee and extremely happy that the color barrier had been broken.
After the election and inauguration on Jan 20, 2009, when he started naming his cabinet, I knew I had been punked!
I wrote this on Mar 31, 2009
Obama's Financial Advisors
March 31, 2009
Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
a South Carolina macroeconomist
businessman, investment banker, fiscal conservative, author, and
United States Secretary of Commerce,
Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations,
Senior Chairman of the private equity firm, the Blackstone Group.
In 2008, he was ranked 149th on the "Forbes 400 Richest
Americans" with a net worth of $2.8 Billion.
In 2008, he established The Peter G. Peterson Foundation
74th United States Treasury Secretary,
International Monetary Fund Board of Governors, Chairman and
Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs.
Time magazine named Paulson as a runner-up for its Person of
the Year 2008, saying, with reference to the Global Financial
Crisis of 2008: "if there is a face to this financial debacle, it is now
Franklin Delano Raines:
former Fannie Mae CEO, received $50 Million bonus, White
House budget director under President Bill Clinton
His role leading Fannie Mae has come under scrutiny.
former Fannie Mae CEO, received $35 Million bonus
managing director with Lehman Brothers,
An Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO)
report 2004 found that, during Johnson's tenure as CEO,
Fannie Mae had improperly deferred $200 million in
expenses. This enabled top executives, including Johnson
and his successor, Franklin Raines, to receive substantial
bonuses in 1998.
A 2006 OFHEO report found that Fannie Mae had
substantially under-reported Johnson's compensation.
Originally reported as $6-7 million, Johnson actually received
approximately $21 million.
Vice chairman of the private banking firm Perseus LLC,
board member at Goldman Sachs,
KB Home, a home construction firm,
Chairman of both the Kennedy Center for the Arts and the
member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences,
the American Friends of Bilderberg,
the Council on Foreign Relations,
the Trilateral Commission.
Johnson a source of controversy when it was reported that he
had received loans directly from Angelo Mozilo, the CEO of
Countrywide Financial, a company implicated in the U.S.
subprime mortgage crisis. Although he was not accused of any
wrongdoing and was initially defended by Obama on the grounds
that he was simply an unpaid volunteer, Johnson announced he
would step down from the vice-presidential vetting position on
June 11, 2008, in order to avoid being a distraction to Obama's
Rahm Emanuel: White House Chief of Staff to President Barack
served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm
Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the
troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags,"
entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal
Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) of having "failed in its
duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."
Democratic member of the United States House of
Representatives, representing Illinois's 5th congressional district,
chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
during the 2006 mid-term elections
chairman of the Democratic Caucus
member of the New Democrat Coalition.
noted for his combative style and his political fundraising abilities
he articulated his view on the role of government as a positive
force to face difficult challenges and solve national problems,
notably combating global warming through green energy policies
and completely restructuring the healthcare system.
Citigroup executive at the center of the current
Chris Dodd: #1 recipient of Fannie Mae contributions
Larry Summers who pushed the repeal of the Glass-
Tim Geithner: who masterminded the bank bailout,
Robert Rubin: a disgraced Citigroup executive at the
center of the current meltdown.
Looks a bit out of balance to me
Every single one of these men had fingerprints all over the banking and financial market crimes!
I was in a store yesterday when the owner of the store piped up to another customer that he was going to put a sign out the front that said 'If you love Obama, don't bother stopping here'.
So I used my Aussie accent to explain that I was a visitor here and why would you say that?.
He replied: "That nigger shouldn't be my President. He ain't christian, he's a muslim terrorist. My father voted Republican and so did my grandpa and so will I. Obama is the ruination of our got-dang country".
I replied with an "Oh ok...." because I didn't quite know what else to say. I have never been so close to such a hateful racist before and I didn't even want to ask what Republican candidate was a better choice than Obama right now, really I just couldn't even be bothered having any kind of debate with this monkey.
Needless to say, we left and I didn't give that guy any of my Obama loving money. And it isn't as though I am an Obama lover per se, I just didn't want the guy to 'earn' any money with thoughts like that.
Sandi, the good news is you know what he thinks and you can boycott his business, I hope. Even do a little community building with others who disagree with his racist values. Geez, I wish you had a recording of that statement and could play it outside his store as customers go by ... I am still a Saul Alinsky kind of resistor.
I believe the anyone but Obama folks are 100% racist. However, I may have been an "anyone but Bush" person during 2 election cycles so perhaps I'm wrong (but I'm not).
I took my mother to a garage sale yesterday in my town which is a pocket of red in a relatively blue area. As we walked up I heard the owner telling someone that he didn't care but we had to get this black guy out of the white house. I gave dagger eyes and left immediately. We have an Obama sign in our window and one neighbor told us we were brave. A coworker recently defended flying a confederate flag to me (not knowing I'm 1/4 African American or maybe he knew and didn't care) and my son's 1/2 black girlfriend is harassed on a regular basis. I may need to move. Post-racial society? No.
Joan I am also disappointed by many of Obama's decisions and appointments especially in the finance area, but I am also happy with many other things he's done. See this link for examples: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
You are not wrong. I do hope the demographic is changing. There are many who are working for change. We just have to wait for more Neanderthals to head for Valhalla.
There are many good people here Sentient, pardon my rant. If I move it will be due to the weather and not the people. It is a small minority that is like that but they are indeed loud and obnoxious.