Look, I know in every generation they think its always getting worse than it was (which is rarely backed up by the data),

But I'm curious, does everyone else here feel like the insanity is growing? Or do ya'll think the issue is we're simply becoming more aware of all the insanity that has been laying under the surface all this time.

Or do ya'll think its all just the same shit different day and not much has changed?

For me in my lifetime, some of this stuff really seems to be more out there than I ever would have imagined possible.

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I agree it's a very dangerous situation. OK a side note I'm really kinda pissed that our native brothers and sisters are treated like foreigners in their own home. When the fuck will we treat the "reservations" as sovereign land, and offer them a seat at the table.

my mother told me she thought that my grandfather might have had some Cherokee in his family. That makes me officially one millionth American Indian. (If she was correct but ill claim it). The whole reservation thing just pisses me off. We are kind enough to "reserve" land for native Americans. Wow we are so generous. On the other hand I am not responsible for what my stupid bigoted European ancestors did. We are indeed in a new world, more appropriately new era. It is a very difficult task to reconcile the past and deal with the modern world. No doubt dealing with the "Savages" was a purely Christian, manifest destiny load of crap. My step mother and sisters are obviously, visibly,Choctaw. I do feel for my native American brothers and sisters. That being said I am also due to no fault of my own Native American by if nothing else by birth. The important thing here is that we proceed without religious or continued nationalism and bury what is left of our native American heritage. I once dated a Washoe woman and asked to learn their ways. She told me the elders would not permit it. Her children were halfbreeds according to them. I told her if they didn't teach others soon all would be lost. She asked what I meant. In said your children are halfbreeds what is the chance your grandchildren will be a quarter Washoe? Will their be any elders to teach them would they be willing? Thankfully, Pence will do his best to make this a non issue, in his world they will grow up Christian and believe in flood stories.

I am half Mexican, half Scottish (I think), I don't really care about such things though. To me regardless they are family, we're all brothers and sisters. We are all human. I agree with you, its  such a shallow thing. Look at the history of christian lies and betrayals, why do we keep perpetuating it? why do we continue to fight their holy war in the middle east, why do sign treaties and not honor them. You know, I'm not the kind of person to hate our country, I am simply disappointed. We can be better, we must be better.

I don't care so much about making "reparations" to the past, or crying over it. I can acknowledge history without fear or shame, as it was not I who committed those shameful acts. I care far more about what we do now, that is what defines us. If I fail to right these wrongs, then I am no better.

Lets be a better people.


I need to mention that for the most part, it was the Christians that gave themselves reason to take the land from our American Indians. Somehow they managed to get weak interpretation from their Bible that North America was destined to be taken over by White Christians.

Anybody, please correct me if I am wrong.

As for family backgrounds goes, my siblings and I are of European mix. After that we have African American, Mexican/Filipino, Chinese, Korean, infantile redneck, and a Trump spatz.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a mongrel, Heinz 57 red blooded American. I am very white in appearance but who knows what coal black ancestors I may have. Didn't we all start out as Africans? The truth is we are human. Modern scientists take issue with the very idea of race. We are all human. Our main concern here is that there is enough bigotry and racism without religion. It is important that we realize we are all human and do our best to make sure religion does not complicate the issue further. Cheers fellow mutt!!!

The problem with many of us is that we are too concerned with race in a way that rivals breeding of horses and dogs for show. We apply such an ignorant thing to our species as if it meant something. We are all humans. That's the bottom line. When I married my African wife of 12 years (we are now divorced) a friend of mine informed me that "I was destroying my race." WTF? How utterly ignorant. I'm not a show dog. I'm a human.

We have so many that are racist unawares and also those who are outright racist. I don't want anyone talking that crap around me.

John, I agree completely. Even as a card-carrying cynic, I'm still astounded  that race-based hatred is so prevalent when it's so idiotic. As I've noted in earlier discussions, the existentialist concept of "thrownness*" makes more or less the same point. No one here put in an order to be who they are. To hate people for their immutable characteristics is the height of stupidity. To feel superior because of your own immutable characteristics is pathetic. And yet, here we are.

As an interesting aside, Jim Morrison tipped his hat to Heidegger's notion of thrownness [German - Geworffenheit]  in Riders on the Storm:

Into this house we're born, into this world we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone, an actor out on loan

*Per Wiki: 

Awareness and acknowledgment of the arbitrariness of Dasein [being] is characterized as a state of "thrown-ness" in the present with all its attendant frustrations, sufferings, and demands that one does not choose, such as social conventions or ties of kinship and duty.

Aw, Bert, if people way up there at the top of the white social pecking order keep on saying racism is idiotic, stupid, and pathetic, they'll start believing it.
Give some thought to us down here at the bottom of the white social pecking order. Do you want us to accept responsibility for our having been thrown down here, like Heidegger said? :))
Literacy is important.

1 Bert you're quite right, judging people on the color of their skin, gender, or other qualities they are born with and have absolutely no control over is totally arbitrary. By extension hating people because their race is idiotic, arbitrary, and pathetic.

A similar care can be made for those who have lower social standing. Claiming poor people are at fault for the events in their lives ignores the reality that all of us have far less control over our environment, and by extension the outcomes of our lives. We're all doing the best we can, hating each other over arbitrary qualities and false ideological positions is wrong.

@ Tom--

That's Overlord Bert to you, Sarbeck. (So now you're casting me in Trading Places??)

That, OLB, requires some thought. Take two aspirin and see me in a century.


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