Are you open about being an atheist or are you in the closet?

I am semi in the closet. I do have to admit that I am not comfortable discussing my views with just anyone. I am the type that wants everyone to like me (such a fault I have!) and I am nervous someone will think I am a bad person. Even when I find someone who is passionate about science, I still try not to venture down that avenue. So lucky to have you guys!

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You should never pay for a woman on a date. You want things to be completely equal and she has to make half the effort and if a woman has no problem with your non-belief and her religion is the only thing wrong with her, and if she is not mind your non-belief/ non participation in her religion, then there is no reason in the universe not to keep the woman as a girlfriend. Otherwise you may be more prejudiced than your girlfriend and you will make atheists look bad and don't risk having a poor me syndrome or an inferiority complex and don't look for excuses for what is wrong with a woman if the only thing actually wrong with her is her religion.

I would argue that perhaps a girlfriend is OK but don't even think about marrying a religious fanatic.  Religion is a memeplex that changes the very purpose of life, and you'd wind up pulling is opposite directions.  You for success and happiness in this life; she for propagation of the meme in this life and happiness in the next.

I am open about being an atheist in the sense that when random strange people try to give me religious literature or suck me into their religion, I say... " er, uh... I am actually an atheist", or "I am actually an atheist and I choose not to participate in religion", but I try to say it in a neutral, frank, non-hostile, non- threatening, way, I try not to say anything about being an atheist or religion, in an arrogant, antagonistic, holier- than-thou and/or bombastic manner.

I realized that there is no god when I was 15 but I was afraid to admit it until I was 26, then I "came out as an atheist" to my mom and then my dad and then my brother, on the phone, at different times in separate phone conversations. I came out to my aunt who does Orthodox Judaism, in a Jewish New Years card I wrote, in a manner I now feel was too asinine or embarrrassingly bombastic or retarded or flippantly insensitive or offensive to my aunts given that she is ultra polite company. But not I keep quite about religion most of the time around my family... They quit trying to convince me to participate in Judaism....
Fortunately, I live in the UK, so nobody really gives a damn what you believe! This is the advantage of having an established religion, so that everyone can ignore it. Anyway, we had 200 years of religiously based wars, before tolerance was established. It has only been since 1950's that the more and more diverse society has forced the general acceptance of the wider society. It is fascinating to read novels of the 20's and 30's to see the total change in the zeitgeist.

You make a good point, having one established religion prevents all the others from growing. Same thing with a squirrels disturbing your feeder. Trapping and releasing the squirrel is pointless, as a new squirrel will always come in. Same thing also for organised crime. Better to have one mafia which only kills "that" type or person, rather than have a bunch of gangs vying for territory and killing innocent bystanders in the process.
It's kinda like antibiotics. If you start the job but don't finish it, the bugs just get stronger. The only efficient remedy is the one that puts an end to the invader.

This is good to hear.  The logical question to me is, does Islam fit in with your statement "the more and more diverse society has forced the general acceptance of the wider society."  

Here in the states they are pushing for more and more religion-based concessions like ladies wanting to wear assorted veils for DMV photos.  No bull.

In Canada, because people are so polite, Islam is winning rapidly and gaining ground. Teachers in schools, veiled, teaching little girls how shameful and sexually appealing their bodies are and how men can't see females without requiring sex. Islam has already taken hold of Western and Northern Europe, it is coming along well in Canada. Yet in the USA, Iève almost never seen turbans and head sheets (fuck veil it's really covering women with sheets)

I'm totally ''out'' with being an atheist, to my parents, other family and friends. I have more atheist friends than Christian, and my Christian friends took it well, I guess. My dad has had the hardest time with it all. When I was a kid, he took me to church a lot. My mother didn't always attend with us. So, maybe for him, he looks back at those days and wishes I never grew up. He is coming around, doesn't debate me over the Bible anymore, which is progress. :)

FlyGirl, my step dad told me that the biggest proof of the bible was that god said Israel would be a nation again and he would draw the Jews from every nation and bring them all back to Jerusalem. He says that has happened and is fulfilled prophesy. I then asked him to explain to me why we still have Jews in every nation all over the world.

That was/is a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

The UN divided Palestine in 1948, and gave part of it to the Jews BECAUSE they claimed it as their historical homeland....based on the Exodus myth.  And there were a lot of homeless Jewish refugees from Europe who still had a lot of clout in the "right" places.

They totally ignored the historical facts that the Hebrew tribes invaded Canaan (Palestine) and massacred the people who were already living there more than 3500 years ago.

We might as well use that reasoning to force us to give North America back to the original settlers who walked here from Asia 20,000 years ago. 

Very true, sk8eycat. What history fails to realize (along with other people in 1948) is that this was done because of bible belief. Also, if any of this was really called "dividing" then where is Palestine today? The entire world is paying now for this fatal error.

But that never happened did it? Now there is little land left to give them and nobody will cough up any land. In effect, Palestine has become Israel after the agreements of 1948.




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