Arguing politics with right wingers is like arguing with creationists

Everything they say is based on beliefs, not evidence.  They seem to have no interest in an honest discussion of the facts.  Instead they hang on to their naive ideologies like "Freedom" and "govt is incapable and corrupt".  I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but sometimes the best solution is a public solution.


For right wingers, the only solution is a capitalistic solution - everything else is "socialist".


Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on tactics that might get these people to open thier minds just a little bit?

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To be fair, I have experienced similar behavior from 'the left' including here on this site. Not being a devout communist while thinking that fair capitalism as a part of the overall economic scheme is good and that one ism, in and of itself, does not qualify as coherent economic policiy for a diverse country like the U.S. has caused some issues for me. So much so that I left a group because there seemed no way to make a good argument that would be heard and not just shouted down.
It is great to have someone disagree with me, it makes me better at arguing and may change my viewpoint if the evidence is there, but just attacking because one doesn't agree will not get either of us moved in a forward direction.
Michelle, I agree that any ism taken to the extreme, to the exclusion of all other considerations, is unlikely to be optimal. Unfortunately, what I see in the US since Reagan is capitalism run amok. We tried this in the 1920s, and the results were not good. The current Great Recession should not be a surprise to anybody, given the right's resurrection of the laissez-faire approach.

It's true that the extreme left is just as nuts as the extreme right. But the extreme right is more organized, bigger, and louder at the moment. It's laughable to think that the US is poised for a plunge into communism, or even the common-sense social safety net socialism of Europe. Sadly, the socialism we practice in the US is primarily reserved for big corporations--they get all the profits and taxpayers cover the risks. Even the recent health care act was primarily a gift to the insurance companies. Only a truly ignorant person could construe it as a government takeover of health care.
Arguing politics with leftwingers is like arguing with an orangutan.
Orangutans believe in social and economic justice, environmental stewardship, community, democracy, and the rule of law? Cool.
I am a political fanatic. I love politics. The right wing has a huge leg up on us. They realize and capitalize that the majority are god, guns and glory. The tea party( cringing right now) are all hot button items and no substance. The right wing are working overtime to regain power. In my opinion we aren't going to change their minds. Liberals and true lovers of the constitution are being lazy this political season. Vote and volunteer and get the right people elected are our hope.
I can't wait till I return home to Britain this coming January, I understand why the left is so weak, your "liberal" politicians are still trying to win back the white trash they lost during the civil rights movement, so even if they win, you lose. Don't get me wrong, we have right wing nuts in Britian as well, mostly in the BNP, but they only constitute 5% of the electorate where your Tea baggers comprise 30% and growing.

Why my mother loves this dreadfully backwards country based on gawd and guns is beyond my ability to comprehend.
If by white trash you mean the working poor the I find your comments offensive. A lot of those white trash are cleaning up a corporate nightmare from this little company called BP. If you need a ride to the airport I am available. Elitism is so unbecoming......tisk tisk....
by the way. check your facts. The tea party DOES NOT compromisr 30%. Bet you got that from Fox news or sister sarah.

I have two polls that say that they do, and a third which puts them at 20%.

They are basically right wing populist that have abandoned the pro-business republican party, which is no where near as positive as it sounds as they have NO understanding of economics and tend to be racist...kinda like the BNP.
You can have them back.

NO thank you :D :D :D

Besides, encouraging undesirables to leave, both back in the day and today,is far more humane than the previous solution - sending in the cavalry to cull their numbers when they reached the obnoxious burden level of annoyance.

Today lower middle class Britons leave of their own accord, rather than live beside the lower class and immigrants in council housing, and have fouled large swaths of Spain by their presence.

The Spanish are still kicking themselves over the decision to promote EU immigration in an attempt to push off undesirable properties at inflated prices, little did they know what they were getting :D :D :D

Having grown up in both the US and UK/Europe, I find the US incredibly bizarre, you are an alternate version of us gone horribly wrong. While you are right in assessing that all countries have undesirables, at least we call them for what they are.

Joe the Plumber and Levi Johnson(the father of Bristol Palin's child) are another type of example, back home they are considered the epitome of undesirable trash, at the top of every girl's "Do Not Date EVER" list, where as in the US many people hold them up as examples of "the average American", which begs the question - What's wrong with you people, and is it contagious? :D :D :D
The American left has always had a problem of accepting the fact that their fellow citizens really are backwards and consider self-imposed ignorance a virtue.

My Father, who's ambivalent about American politics for the most part, tells the tale of the 1968 election where the leftist intelligentsia could not understand why McGovern did not them it was inconceivable that so many people could be so stupid.

The American people shocked the world with their stupidity yet again in 2004 when they re-elected GW Bush. Even the conservative Daily Mail ran a headline captioned "How Can 59 Million People Be So Dumb"

It's human nature to think highly of ones countrymen,in spite of realities nasty habit of constantly interjecting evidence to the contrary.
The problem is that respect for other points of view is part of the Democratic Party's DNA. Not so, of course, for the Republicans. The Democrats are the Party of Compromise (frequently referred to as bipartisanship). The Republicans are the Party of No, of party before principle. That's why the GOP tends to win. They bring a gun to a knife fight. Their understanding of bipartisanship is "we'll compromise as long as you do it our way--oh, and if Democrats propose a Republican idea, we'll reject it because Democrats proposed it".

Sadly, stupid people like a winner, even an obstinate, dog-in-the-manger winner. More sadly, stupid people admire pugnacious assholes, and view respectful and educated people as weak and indecisive. The only way out of this is to have a lot more educated people than not. Republicans recognize this, which is why they are constantly trying to destroy public education.




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