Atheists are a small minority in the U.S.  Advocates of gun control might be a minority in America as well. In light of the recent shootings in Aurora I am curious as to how atheists in this network view the lack of gun restrictions.  There are probably divergent views.

I have trouble believing that both presidential candidates are steering away from any call for reform after the horrific mass shooting. In my opinion it is insane to allow citizens access to assault weapons that can kill scores of people in a few minutes.  It was even more shocking to hear on a news show that a family had to raise money to pay for the immense hospital bills for one of the victims while they were already crippled with medical bills from the mothers fight with breast cancer.

As a Canadian I came to stand with my U.S brothers for the reason rally and freedom from religion.  I would be willing to come down to the capitol and march for two other important causes.  Gun control and universal health care.

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A love letter from the Chigago Tribune mentions our low gun crime.

The Chicago Tribune has written a love letter to Canada, suggesting that we have taken that city by storm.

In an editorial this week, the Tribune called out to our country for us t...

Land of the north, Chicago is calling to you. Calling your sesame bagels, smoked meat and Tim Hortons double-doubles. Calling your low rates of gun crime, and universal health care. Calling your oil, especially your oil. We hope some of that Canadian good fortune rubs off on our city.

I doubt if a city newspaper in Texas would see us in the same light.

Fact-checking the NRA's Wayne LaPierre (by Politi-Fact, a project of the St. Petersburg, Florida, Times):

"After a quiet period following the shootings in Newtown, Conn., the National Rifle Association has been making a case for armed guards at schools and other measures rather than restrictions on guns.

"We've fact-checked many claims about gun control -- you can find them on our guns subject page -- and this week checked three that Wayne LaPierre, the group's executive vice president, made in an op-ed in the Daily Caller:

"To make the case that major cities were unsafe, LaPierre made a claim we've checked many times, that Phoenix "is already one of the kidnapping capitals of the world." We rated that False.

"He said President Barack Obama " flagrantly defies the 2006 federal law ordering the construction of a secure border fence along the entire Mexican border." We rated that Mostly False.

"LaPierre claimed that after Hurricane Sandy, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg "refused to allow the National Guard into the city to restore civil order because Guardsmen carry guns!" That earned a Mostly False."


(I'm one of the NRA members who say LaPierre isn't speaking for us.)

Couldn't resist including this perceived deport-able offense for a fellow Canadian - funny bit called Cold Dead Hands

Still thinking of this discussion a couple of years later. My solution in a letter to the editor discussing our upcoming provincial election.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editors/2014/06/10/ho...

The average citizen does not need assault weapons. If you argue that the constitution gives you a right to have them, you might as well be argueing that you have a right to own an atomic bomb. I'm a former gun enthusiast, but more needs to be done here because of America's gun violence. Why is it not done? Votes. The man running for office who wants to curb guns and gun violence will not get the votes. That's plain and simple.

I do see headlines that I agree with. The most recent from St. Louis, Mo. involves an apparent home invasion. The 17 year old daughter had went outside for something to apparently end up being used as a shield by 2 armed men who forced her back inside. The homeowners had guns. The end result was that one of the invaders was killed at the scene, and the other one is in the hospital now. This situation could have went wrong, but I applaud this homeowner. He had every right to shoot them and defend his family and property.

Even so, gun attitudes in America has changed. Back when JFK was murdered a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald emerged in which he was holding weapons and a left wing newspaper. This fact alone almost sealed his guilt at the time. Today such things are commonplace, only the politics has changed. Right wing gun nuts are everywhere. Everything has gotten out of hand.

I know you wrote this 2 years  ago   but it is still very  relevant.......I am and always  will be for gun control....The only  people  who are well trained  to carry a firearm  are  the police, sherrif's  dept  and  the military and  any  federal agency like  the FBI  or CIA....Some  exceptions  can  be provided  for  hunters who  actually  need to kill animals  for food...and  maybe  people  in the extreme  rural areas  for  self  protection....Most of us can  just  call 911 when we  need  fire power....If  guns  were  severely  restricted  and  gun shows  prohibited  the supply  would  dwindle dramatically  and  gun violence  would also  fall in proportion........I was   completely  dumbfounded   that  Congress refused  to act after  that  horrific  massacre  at the Sandy Hook elementary school.....THe fact  that  the  NRA  held  so much influence  over our  legislators just  shows  how dangerous  they are....The NRA   needs  to be  disbanded.    Their  current  charter  has  swayed  so far  to the right   that it  shows no resemblance  to its  original  charter.....I also  believe  that  magazines  for automatic  weapons should be for military  use  only  which is just  common sense................The second  amendment  is  so outdated  that  it needs  to be  amended  to reflect  modern day America.   I doubt   very much   that we need militias  to fight  against  our  federal government...this  is not the 18th century  anymore.......I rest my case...........  

We may be atheists according to religion but our parents are Jewish and we are
Still jewish according to adolf's definition, so keep this in mind before nazis (or the ku klux clan or the Islamic state or any of the other terrorist or hate groups or even any random common crook) comes to your door or breaks into your house.

There's lots of atheist emoting on gun control.

If anyone finds any atheist reasoning, please post it.

Am I in some sort of weird dream.  How can this even be an issue in any civilized country?

The NRA versus Pediatricians - Docs Vs Glocks

Russell, in the gun control debate, who uses reason?

It's fear versus fear.

Actually, there should be the whole range of attitudes towards gun control as religious or non-religious beliefs are non-sequitur to gun control.

Personally I used to enjoy shooting, both single shot and semi-automatic, though in the army cadets I loved being a machine gunner, but I see no use for such weapons within civilian settings.

I also don't see any reason for carrying personal firearms. 

Perhaps in some jobs and societies such personal protection may be deemed necessary.

But it all boils down to a rational consideration of circumstances.

Though I'm against the form of in their faces public display of gun ownership that is occurring in the U.S.

Where people are being confronted by weapon carrying gun enthusiasts in public places.

In that case I think such gun owners come from scraping the bottom of the rational intelligence barrel. 

Such idiotic enthusiasts really should have their guns taken from them and only let them masturbate over pictures of guns, but should never be allowed to handle real weapons.

I applaud Bill Maher's commentary on this topic:

There should be a rationality test for personal gun ownership and a high rationality bar that owners must leap over in order to be approved for gun ownership, otherwise, expect more stupidity and accidents from unintelligent gun handling and ownership.

How about instead of having the same tired arguement, we look for an actual solution? Whenever a shooting occurs the gun control crowd goes ape shit. "gun control! gun control!" and the gun loving crowd responds "over my corpse!" Same damn arguement every time.
How about trying a new approach to head off mass shootings? Here are a few ideas no one has mentioned.
1.If a person's family and friends call the police and say that they are a threat then place them under 24 hour surveillance.
2. Fix our 17th century mental health system.
3. Teach people how to act in the event of a shooting. The 911 attackers held up 2 planes full of people with BOX KNIVES because no one had the presence of mind to pick up thier sampsonite and kick some ass. The same is true during a shooting. Screaming and pissing yourself is NOT a valid self-defense plan.
4. Take the police that we are currently wasting on the drug war and have them hang out in schools to prevent this kind of stuff.
There's four and I'm just a college dropout. Surely others have even better ideas. Let's stop having the same boring arguement.

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