Thanks Tom, yes definitely commutative.
Whenever we get the fundies knocking on our door I always ask how they feel about the people in our neighborhood (Newtown in Sydney very large LGBT population) and according to the last census 77% of all residents recorded no religion.
They always show that ingrained ignorance in their reply, "you have to answer to god" that's when I tell them to get off my doorstep because their bigotry is showing.
Victoria, Australia, Oi Oi Oi! LOL!
Aussie Aussie Aussie? lol.
I used to live in Sydney mate, for 6 or 7 years, and of course they told me how horrible and insular and rotten and depraved Melbourne was, so I never went there until a couple of years ago. I was never so deceived!, I don't know why I ever did trust them Sydney-siders, it is not as if I didn't know that they all tell lies for entertainment, after all.
Melbourne is an amazing city, none of Sydneys cramped little roads, lots of lovely parks and the public buildings all built on heroic scale. The people were a little less friendly than in Sydney, but I would certainly tell visitors they absolutely had to make a week long visit to the place.
Carrot Hare, do you have any number on the responses you received since you started this post ?
Hey friends! Kentwood, MI here - beautiful this time of year, though sad, as summer (fav season) is ending.
It's only warming up here, one month into spring and already temperatures into those expected late spring, is this evidence of global warming or just freakish seasons? :-D-
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Home of Aussie Rules football and the Carlton Football Club!
A great place to live, where one can be openly atheist without any recriminations, sneers, put downs, or the like, quite simply because most people simply don't give a phuq!
True, though my experience is that melbourne is mostly agnostics and extreme moderates who simply can't even be bothered with their own religion, many call themselves Christians, Muslims but don't even bother to follow their religions doctrines.
It's the deeply religious who are often jeered and mocked, especially during the Melbourne Comedy Festival, where religion is constantly targeted, since most of comedians who rock up are atheists. They really kick the hell out of religion during the festival and Melbournians love it. The can't get enough of people kicking religion in the guts.
Even TV programs based in Melbourne attack religious views regularly.
A city with Melbourne's attitude wouldn't be tolerated very well in the USA, though Canada would welcome it as it does welcome Melbourne's very atheist comedians.
Here's a mate's version of the "Lord's Prayer"
Sounds wonderful! I have long wanted to visit Australia, and perhaps retire there, for many reasons but you have just given me the best reason yet.