Very interesting everything you said. As a Prof. of Spanish I know quite well the history of the region because language, literature and history go together.
What I was referring to is the use of the adjective "Hispanic" to describe restaurants / people of Latin American origin...since "Hispanic" is a nationality and derives from the original name of Spain (Hispania / Roman Empire).
I was born in Argentina so Spanish is my first language...but, please, never address me as Hispanic because not only I wasn't born in Spain but my origin is French.
@Dogly....You are being politically correct.....You can not go wrong by getting specific like that....
Dogly...Come and call me Hispanic face to face...You won't like my answer. LOL
See, the fact I was born in a Spanish speaking country doesn't mean my first heritage / culture was Spanish. My parents were French so that's my heritage / culture.
As I said, Hispania was the original name of Spain (España in Spanish) and is a nationality. No person born in a Spanish speaking country in Latin America enjoys being "bagged together" under the adjective Hispanic. See, the language is just about the only thing we have in common.
Who is to say the def. in the Oxford dictionary isn't one made to accomodate certain interests?
Silvia.....So you are saying that a spanish speaking person from Argentina is not necessarily Hispanic?.....I realize you are French but wonder if you may be an exception....I always thought the majority of people in South America were descendants of the Spanish since they colonized most of South America......I do realize there were natives that lived there,but assumed most intermarried and assimilated over the centuries....If I am wrong about that then South America is more like the USA in having a diverse population consisting of many ethnic origins.....If that is true then that is indeed a new way of looking at the area.........
A Spanish speaking person born in Argentina is an Argentinean..and a Spanish speaking person born in Bolivia, Peru, Colombia...is a Bolivian, a Peruvian, a Colombian....and so on....His / her heritage/ ethnicity / culture can be from Japan, Russia, Spain, France, Italy....Take your pick.
The natives were not many, the immigrants didn't inter-married with them and they were "kind" of decimated by the Conquistadores.
No, I am not French...my parents were...and I am not an exception because Argentina had one of the largest immigration wave in modern history.
To be a descendant of the Spaniards doesn't make a person Hispanic. Nationality shouldn't be confused with ethnicity, heritage, culture.
BTW, the Spaniards were allover (Mexico and Central America as well)
The fact you ask this question tells me -once again- the lack of information provided by USA on this subject....and I say "once again" because as a NYC teacher I have heard the same question / comment countless times.
Dogly...Yo have to understand that in Latin America there are millions of people who speak Spanish because they were born there but they origin is not from Spain...or even from the country they were born. Roberto Fujimori (Peru), Carlos Menem, Camila O'Gorman and my classmates Carlos Mc Allister and Sigeroly Iga Argentina) come to mind.
Yes, I know. You have no argument with me. I'm Irish (we are an exception and will call ourselves Irish no matter where we were born, and whether or not our feet ever touched 'the old sod') and many Irish fought for Independence from European colonialism in South America.
LOL...There are about 500.000 between Irish and Irish descendant in Argentina; they immigrated to the south of BAires and to Patagonia starting in 1806...and in mass waves in 1840s...during the Irish famine. In fact, many Irish who emigrated to USA -upon reading (mails from relatives)t hat in Argentina the Irish were welcome...AND THE LAND WAS FOR GRABS- left USA and settled in my country. They stop arriving in about 1940s.
Check with the Westmeth-Argentinian Assoc....and read the newspapers of those times...the findings will amaze you.
Silvia, an interesting story of which I was not aware. One of my ancestors immigrated to Oklahoma during the Irish famine in the 1840s. It was a political famine in which the workers of the soil in Ireland could not eat the grains they grew for the English landowners. The potato blight destroyed their food supply and they couldn't even eat the fish from streams or the ocean. About a third died of starvation, about a third immigrated, and about a third remained in Ireland. My ancestors hated government, authority, the English. After settling in Oklahoma and building a good life, they were caught up in the Civil War of the 1860s and lost everything they had. A pretty good way to create a hatred that comes to us today.
How interesting that Argentina welcomed the Irish. The Irish are hard workers and not afraid of a fight. I wonder if there have been any studies comparing the U.S. Irish immigrants over time to the Argentina settlers.
Ah, Joan! Please live forever! Your wide range of interests and intelligence, curiosity, and energy astound me! We know that only the strongest will, and honest, skeptical curiosity will dare us to question what we were taught by those we loved. Thank you for persevering through serious illness.
Ireland was a plantation. It was a place to send those who had supported the Monarchy of England when no more land was available to give as a boon for Generals and sycophants. Land parcels could be awarded to those in favor with the Crown.
When South American peoples introduces European/Spanish Colonists to potatoes the vegetable became very popular. The same small plot can produce so many more pounds of food than earlier crops.
According to the article -written by an Irish man- Argentina was the only country that really welcomed the Irish; knowing my people I don't doubt it was the case.
The same article mentions many cities in south BAires and states that said places are common knowledge in Ireland.
BTW, I married an extremely wonderful and good looking Irish guy; he passed recently.