I was wondering how the Atheist community felt about this. I know that a lot of you don't care for Christians, or Christian music/books, etc...

There's an LDS bookstore my mom often goes to. I hate being in there, being seen, and I don't want to buy anything (LDS or otherwise) because I don't want to give them the business. Is this ethical?

Obviously it's a person's choice what they purchase and where, so is it that simple? If you refuse to purchase an item that you would have if the shop was not religious, is that bigotry?

What if the shop isn't affiliated with a religion, but is privately owned and covered in religious paraphernalia? What if it's a gas station playing religious sermons? (I've had that experience...)

What if it's a charity for a cause you believe in-- with religious ties?

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I learned to hate Xmas music before I even deconverted. I worked at a mall for a few Christmases in my late teens, early twenties. That'll larn ya to hate the stuff. "Silent Night" is the worst. It's a fucking dirge. Joyful noise to the Lord, my ass.
Wow Jezzy.This thread of yours is a real ! eye opener for me.Food joints and bookstores and garages etc all playing religious sermons and stuff ?? .Noo really... you must be all pulling the mickey right ?.Of course im sure you are all totally serrious and not joking at all about it. But this stuff just sounds like its on a whole totally new planet to me, im finding it hard to grasp its for real.Even most of the faith run second hand thrift clothing stores here in NZ dont even play any sermons or anything like that to try and convert any folks who go shop there .You actually need to look quite hard to even find any religious books or tapes or tracts for sale or give away either.

Theres heaps of "food joints" over there in the USA playing sermons to customers really?? ,sure brings a whole new meaning to that saying of "holy guacamole" we used to use for fun as kids, now for me.Your thread has helped me to now far better realize and grasp just how very widespread and inforced upon people religion really is become over there in the USA. ..Before today i had never realized it was quite this bad.

As a Kiwi its really none of my business what folks over there choose to do, but my opinion is, i dont see there is anything wrong with the ethics of choosing not to shop in shops where religion is being pushed like this.And i can fully understand how even being in a store like that could make somebody tend to feel real uncomfortable .In NZ it would even be considdered kinda rude for a shop keeper to push their belief in this way.
It depends somewhat on where you live. There are national chains that put Bible verses on their food wrappers, but living in the Northwest, I have yet to encounter a store where they are really very pushy or overt about it. Occasionally you'll find the employees have tuned the radio to a Christian music station, and you frequently see a cross or other religious icon hanging on the wall, but I've never heard any actual sermonizing over the speakers. You get the odd employee who wants to make a clever comment about how God's plan is mysterious, or thanking God for this or that, but I've never seen it rise above chit-chat.

Still, there are quite a few companies who feel the need to wear their Christianity on their sleeve, putting the fish symbol in their advertising or proclaiming themselves a "Christian corporation", whatever that means. For example, this is the first thing you see at amenproperties.com:

Amen Properties is a Christian corporation with a strategic asset - a $28 million net operating loss accumulated during the company's "dot com" past which can be used to shield future earnings from taxes.

Amen seeks to own strong, profitable energy-related assets and businesses. Currently, Amen owns businesses and assets which fall into two categories: Energy Services and Energy Resources.


They also own and lease out retail space at strip malls. Now, I have no idea what possible intersection there might be between Christianity and the above commercial endeavors, but in their defense, they are headquartered in Texas, so I'm sure God sits on the board of directors.

I love how the very first thing you learn from their site is that they are Christians and that they are soaking the evil gubmint for tax losses from their failed get-rich-quick dot-com days.
wow, Jason, their 28mil operating loss is an asset! Now I regret paying off all of my school loans! I've been doing things all wrong - I need to get out and lose some money! Yabba dabba doo!

I did suffer from a shopping episode at a Safeway (or maybe Fred Meyer, I forget) when there was - I think - Christian muzak playing overhead. I shop at odd hours, and I assumed it was due to a tired employee, not the ubergodless megacorporation that was responsible. So I didn't complain.
Well, Muzak is offensive in its own right. In fact, on behalf of Christians everywhere, I'm offended that somebody Muzaked their music. It may have been crap to start with, but that's no excuse.
I agree. They really should convert it all to rap, not musak. I might actually listen to onward christian soldiers, converted to rap. Or a hip-hop version of will the circle be un broken. But I will never, ever, tolerate Amazing Grace, as hiphip, rap, reggae, or in a chip-monks version.
"Amazing Grace" is fine on bagpipes. When your ears are bleeding anyway, it hardly matters what tune is playing.
I avoid shops that have anything to do with religion. To be quite honest I do not trust religious folk because so many of them are liars, and money hungry. I would avoid shopping where I thought that there may be a problem if something was faulty.
I think we have have a right to shop in those places of business that we feel most comfortable in. I think we also need to be as true to ourselves as possible.
I think there are more and more charities that atheist's are involved in (see Richard dawkins)and we need to seek them out.
If a business makes a statement with their religious icons, then I am am sure they have decided that it is the religious that they want as customers. I think they may have factored in that they would have a percentage of people upset by their displays. The best thing to do is let them know that they have lost a sale because of those icons.
It's called having a conscience and being able to sleep at night; imagine that a strong terribly modernized atheist type that has one.

Noticed fundamentalist religions and their fundies are bad for the economy when you do the math; all that time wasted doing you know what instead of taking a bite out of inefficiency in the government of the land and crime... ah, boycott yes, why perpetuate failure. Lower thy signature, what else is there to life than family, friends, work and music? Art, math and science are nice too. China has made enough of a killing thanks to the so and so's of the god fearing past.
I wouldn't boycott unless said business was doing something I sincerely disagreed with and using the money I spent in their store to do so. I wouldn't deny them my business though just because of their faith, especially not if the store is a huge convenience to me. I find it way too stressful to be nitpicky about such things. One of my favorite stores is a Christian craft store, they have great deals and great products. I don't mind the Christian book stores either. I'm quite fond of beliefs such a Voodou and Santeria which incorporate Catholic iconography and find the Marian statues to be quite beautiful and the 7 day candles quite useful.

Just my two cents.
When I went to buy my bible probably about two years ago (mum thought reading the blasted thing would make me see the error of my ways - whoops!) we went to a specialist religious retailers in Sheffield, I was a little disappointed to see copies of the God Delusion (yes they had it: kudos) occupying the same shelf-space as defences of intelligent design and creationism, I very nearly went to complain - but then caught myself about the principles of all the places to pick a fight in a Christian bookshop was probably not it.

For the cause of having a bible all my own to cross-reference the bad bits, it's the only time I can recall frequenting a purposefully religious business like that. I wouldn't say avoid so much as simply don't encounter.
I decided a long time ago not to support religions. You have a choice about what you buy, where you buy it, and from whom. I'm an avid crafter, and I have stopped going to Hobby Lobby, first of all because the constant barrage of Christian music just runs me out of there. Besides, there is a Michael's and a Joann's very close. Joann's has decided to actually cater to me with their music. It's probably manipulative, too; in fact, I'm sure it is, because after about 10 minutes I find myself singing or humming along with their music, probably targeted to my (female) age group, the most likely people to be hanging around the yarn in a sewing store. But they are at least not preaching at me - just making me comfortable. So why should I take my business to a place that sings to me about Jesus? Lots of other people like to sing along with that, so it all works out.

Another problem with dealing with Christian businesses is that my husband and I both have had enough unpleasant experiences of being taken advantage of, lied to, and cheated by businesses that go to the trouble to advertise themselves as Christian, with the fish, or bible verses, that we just avoid them.

Of course, there's no way to totally avoid it. I think I mostly find myself actively avoiding the ones that actively irritate me. If they don't shove it in my face, then I don't know, and it's not an issue.

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