Christianity has always been fairly conspicuous among world religions for its obsession with its own end.  In fact, talking about the Christian "end times" (not the apocalypse), 2 Thessalonians even tells us how to bring about the Christian end times:

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day {the Christian "last times"} shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped {monotheism}; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

– 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

If we think back to the mostly pagan time world in which that passage was written, around the first or second century, a "man who exalts himself above all that is called God" sounds like monotheism and the only clear candidate for such a man around that time is Jesus.  Jesus is the man who is worshiped in the temple as God above all the other gods of the ancient world and, indeed, he is the only man whose revelation as a "man of sin" would presumably cause a great "falling away" from Christianity and bring about the Christian "end times". 

"And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

– 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

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With unresolved conflicts flashing into wars that kill innocent as well as the aggressor, with the violation of the atmosphere, water, and soils with toxic chemicals that threatens living things on Earth, with the climate change bringing storms of all kinds to all the continents, with people feeling vulnerable and afraid, fear produces an emotional climate.

Fear produces anger. Scapegoats appear from those who look different from the hemogenic population. People and governments become defensive and aggressive. Society crumbles. The obvious outcome, although prophecised by ancient writers, result from a natural deterioration of civility. 

The remedy is to stay calm, think critically, act with careful thought. This is no time to be a victim! Be pro-active, do things that are productive, that bring joy and celebration into life, care for others and the environment. 

Here is a starter: 


My Garden in Spokane, WA, October 4, 2016, 3:06:32 PM

Joan, denial takes various and temporary forms. My "thumbs are brown".
Whoever added (2:3-4) to the bible didn't see what I see in it--the end of xianity.

Whoever added (2:6-12) was on an early form of LSD.

Yes.  Exactly.  This is how Christianity ends, by revealing that Jesus is the sinful man.  That is why I demonstrate in 500 examples that each passage of the Gospels and the book of Revelation is a form of Greek tragedy and a satire of a passage in the works of Josephus, mostly from the wars of the Jews: Jesus is a satire of Josephus who claimed to be sent by God to save the Jews but basically threw his entire nation under the bus to save himself.  You can see the end of Christianity here:

So, who "sits in the temple of god, showing himself as god." A preacher could have a field day with the above scriptures and preach many different sermons, not necessarily  all related. Like the Buybull itself, this is a many chaptered book made up of other smaller books to create a story and it was not originally put together that way.

Your above scriptures from Thessalonians are most likely after AD 70 and the destruction of the second temple in Jerusalem so imaginations are running wild as to what is coming. Some claim that Paul wrote this around 52 AD but might that be because believers want to hold out for the writings as proof of prophesy? I contend that Buybull prophesy is either:

1. Exaggerated and misapplied scriptures, or

2. NT books that were written after AD 70 but given an earlier date by believers.

Paul himself was not accepted by all and he caused riots in many places that he appeared. Many early Christians did not like him either. It might be noted that Paul was a Roman citizen and that he is given credit for close to a third of the NT writings, he never met Jesus, and he was also most certainly dead before AD 70.

This smacks of the possibility that the Romans created a lot of the writings to keep the Jews from rebelling against them in the future in order to keep the peace. Modern Christianity is more "Paulianity" than anything else. By the time of Constantine it was decided what books to include in scriptures we now know as the bible with finalities coming after the emperor's death. Believers had long had their own favorite books but some did not make the cut. This all came some 300 years after the time of Jesus.

Today is no different and we see the many denominations that have come out of god belief. "Wars and rumors of wars" would seem to be the standard as long as you have people. The many interpretations of events include the book of Revelation which was an encoded book but never intended to be a futuristic book.

It is number 2.  If I demonstrate, as I claim, that every passage of the Gospels and the book of Revelation is based on a passage from Josephus, then those books must have been written after the publication of the passages they are based on (75 AD for Wars of the Jews and around 93-94 AD for the Life of Flavius Josephus).  For example, I claim the story of the "Last Supper" is an ironic representation of the passages from the Wars of the Jews that talk about the "upper rooms" where Simon and John prepared the way for thousands of Jews to die of starvation, so the passages about the Last Supper must have been written after the Wars of the Jews was published:

Or that the story of "Jesus Walks on Water" is based on a passage from JW when Titus throws some of the rebels (the rebel leaders Simon and John being the main disciples of Jesus and representing the rebels in general to whom Jesus/Josephus is teaching lessons) into the dead sea:

Or "Jesus Finds Philip" is an ironical representation of all the passages from Josephus that mention Philip:

Or "Jesus Heals Bartimaeus" is an ironic representation of how Josephus hates the Greek writers, especially Timeus, and helps them to see straight:

I can show you 500 examples of passages from the Gospels or the book of Revelation that are ironic representations of passages from the works of Josephus.  This is hinted at in the book of Revelation where we are told about a book with seven seals.  "The Wars of the Jews" was published in 7 books and I show that this is a reference to the seven books of the wars and that each of the seven seals is individually a reference to a passage in the corresponding book.  That is why the angel of Revelation tells you that if you eat the book with the seven seals (the Wars of the Jews) it will be "sweet in your mouth like honey, but it will make your belly bitter", sweet to finally understand the joke, but sick to your stomach to realize that it is a satire of a genocide:

Also I show that the "book of Life" mentioned in Revelation is a reference to the book "The Life of Flavius Josephus":

This is what the antichrist is supposed to do, he is the undoing of Jesus and Christianity and brings about the Christian "last times" (see above quotation from 2 Thessalonians).

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

– 2 John 1:7

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

– 1 John 2:18

The antichrist is the one who proves that Jesus did not come in the flesh and brings about the end of Christianity because he is a satirical representation of Josephus.  The reason that Jesus being the "only son begotten of the Father" or "the son of man" is ironic is because Flavius Josephus is the only son who was gotten by the father, Vespasian, in the siege of Jotapata, unlike his two biological sons, Titus and Domitian, who were begotten of Vespasian's wife before she died.  Vespasian was a deified Emperor back then so for the Greeks (who wrote the Gospels), they literally had to worship him as God and Josephus was the only son begotten of the Father.  It was supposed to be ironic/funny.  Maybe a way for Greek satirists to get back at the son of God because he insulted Greek writers so many times in his works.  Maybe that is why they were written anonymously, you can't expect to mock the son of the living God openly (the unpardonable sin) and not expect to get sent to work in the Egyptian mines. 

“…There have been indeed some bad men, who have attempted to calumniate my history, and took it to be a kind of scholastic performance for the exercise of young men. A strange sort of accusation and calumny this!…”

– Flavius Josephus Against Apion, Book I, 1:10

This is how Christianity ends, by showing that it was a big joke upon humanity.  A joke about the Jews who thought their God would save them from the Romans and didn't realize that the Romans were the kingdom of God, and a joke upon Josephus who claimed to be sent by God and begged everyone to repent of their seditions and come over the side with God's favor and then watched his entire nation slaughtered in front of his face.  And a joke upon Josephus because he insulted the Greek writers and satirists so much (you can read more about that here: And a joke upon us, because God sent us a lie to be believed because they did not believe that Vespasian was their Lord and the living God.  

Little children, this is the last time.

So, who "sits in the temple of god, showing himself as god." A preacher could have a field day

There is only one man that sits in the temple, showing himself as god and exalts himself above all the other pagan gods (monotheism) of the time and that is Jesus.  Jesus is also the only man whose revelation as a "man of sin" would presumably cause a "falling away" from Christianity and the Christian "last times".  Jesus is the only man that that passage could be talking about.  Jesus is the son of perdition, the terrible lie that God sent to be believed by the people.  That is what the antichrist says.

You may be correct but be reminded that there was no god to "send" anyone. Very often people get wound up in other beliefs while holding a preconceived belief. I keep it simple by knowing:

1. There are no gods.

2. Bible writings that seem like prophesy are either made up or after AD 70.

In and around these facts we have many different bible ideas and this has caused many different beliefs. The faithful keep saying "yes, but this other group has it wrong." The truth is often that a great many of us have it wrong.

It's all make believe.

Of course there are no Gods, why are you even discussing something so silly?  The point is that I demonstrate the Gospels to be Greek tragedies and satires of the works of Josephus.  It was all a big joke by the Greeks.  Proving that is how Christianity comes to an end.  See my comment above.

That is fear I have since I dunno when. When Christians feel their word are ignored and the predicted event does not occurs, they will make sure their self prophecy becomes a reality.

Yes, I agree.  They are already trying to make it a self fulfilling prophecy of the end of the world, just for one example, their denial of climate science, they don't care because the world is going to be destroyed any day now anyway.  That is why I think it is important to show them that the second coming and the end of the world and the destruction of the temple all already happened in the Jewish-Roman war of 66-70 AD, see here:

I show there that all of the "prophecies" already happened but more, that the "prophecies" are based on the actual text of The Wars of the Jews published by Josephus in 75 AD, so it is really more of a case of plagiarism than prophecy and the Gospels and book of Revelation must have been written after that.  This is why the site is called "hyperpreterism", the "preterism" part referring to the second coming being in the past.  In fact, in the book of Thomas even Jesus is a preterist having viewed the second coming as having already happened:

“His disciples said to him, "When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?" He said to them, "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it."”

– Thomas 1:51




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