Brother Richard deserves to be paid. A|N deserves support. There should be paid staff.

I have never met Br. Richard, and other than a very small number of emails, have not communicated with him. He may even be pissed at me for starting this topic, I have not discussed it with him. I recently noted this, which I've copied from here.

"As of now, if it wasn't for the $150 bucks we get from Google ads, we would only get about $35 bucks from monthly donations. All of this from a site that gets over 200,000 unique monthly visitors, almost 1,000,000 monthly page views, and is in the top 75,000 most visited sites on the Internet."

What? You gotta be fucking kidding? I felt guilty about the $15.00 monthly that I started via pay pal this summer. This is not tooting my nown horn, I think I should be paying more too. That means that the other 10,000 members are paying a collective fucking $20.00 a month? If every member paid 10 cents a month, it would be $100.00 monthly. If 100 members paid $25 a month, it would be $2,500 monthly.

I realize that incomes are highly variable, and some members don't have a pot to piss in, and everyone has some sort of financial challenge. But is A|N really that unimportant?

OK, Br. Richard, I know you'll be reading this. Time for you to get off your ass, too, and work on how to make this pay. Does Ning not allow pay? That might be an issue. But how about some form of paid membership. Voluntary, so there would still be unpaid membership, because the financially strapped members do contribute in a meaningful way. But some 'bonus' for paid membership. Alternatively, similar bonus for nonpaid roles such as moderator or website development, organizing, outreach. What is the bonus? I'm not sure. Even a fucking A|N coffee cup, A|N button, personal thong verified as worn by Br. Richard, stratified for "silver member" "gold member", "Platinum member", or whatever you want to call it, is better than the special place we get in heaven for "giving" a contribution. The T-shirts are great - but that's selling T-shirts, and doesn't have the same feel as contributing to A|N. Be that as it may, a $365.oo annual membership, $1.00 per day might warrant the Tshirt plus the thong.....

A PBS / NPR -style over-the-internet fundraiser, while annoying, would be an option. Say, a moving banner, or some other function, that briefly describes the role / benefit of membership / contribution, and offering an easy way to do so?

It's not just a matter of paying Br. Richard. Having paid membershipswould allow for functions that would improve the site, advertise, put up cool billboards like other Atheist groups are doing... whatever.

I'm not stuck on any of these ideas. With many intelligent, devoted, active members, we should be able to support the important role of A|N and further the cause of atheism. I want to see Br. Richard drive up in his pink Rolls Royce and a carnation in his lapel, but it would be a start if we at least gave him a dandelion in a coffee cup.

Come on, godless heathens - earn a silver lining for your clouds in heaven. Lets work on getting some dollars flowing.

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"does paypal take some off the top"

I am not a paypal expert but I'm pretty sure they do.

"Louis, if you will keep track, that will help tremendously."

My pleasure.
I think we should do whatever Br. Richard thinks will work best.
Just made a $25 donation, but didn't know at the time you were doing this. Wow- cool!
Hey not a problem. I understand. Thanks for your support.
Just posted this on the Aussie, Kiwi and South Pacific Atheists Group (in the information section). It would be great if other people with groups could do something similar and really get the word out.

Atheist Nexus Fundraising Drive

It has come to light that this site is running on next to nothing and that our administrator, Brother Richard, is working practically 24/7 on the site at crippling financial cost to him and his family. This can't go on.

Please read this post by Daniel Pio Apostata about the need for greater financial assistance for the site and its administrator.

Generously, Daniel and Louis Davout have each promised to match donations of US$25 or more made between now and 15 October up to a maximum of $750 each. That's a potential commitment of $1500 to the site from just two members. If you can possibly manage it, please click the big green donate button in the side bar and chip in what you can - then let Louis know you've donated, so he can add your donation to their tally.

Please show our generous Aussie and Kiwi spirit. No-one's getting rich out of this site and Richard's no Benny Hinn. If you enjoy Atheist Nexus then please consider making a contribution.
Alternatively, every time you visit, just click on those bloody irritating adverts which claim Darwin was wrong, there is a god, etc. etc. We've all seen them - click them and then close the window. Don't overdo it or it will look to Google like we're orchestrating clicks, but every little helps and it drains the funds of those intent on targeting people who really aren't interested in their B/S.
Thanks for your contribution.

He also said it was better to be feared than loved. Machiavelli can kiss my butt :)

Macchiavelli wa right on that, of course. On the other hand, he was far from the world of 'grass roots' movements. In fact, he was a more 'top down' kind of guy, hence "The Prince".

A|N is a grass roots movement, as is atheism and humanism. A grassroots movement needs transparency to survive and flourish. The real contribution is that of the many people who volunteer with their time and heart, thinking of ways to make the site run better, thinking of improvements, moderating, guiding discussion groups and forum topics, which build as comunity and act as "think tanks' and ongoing education for all of us. Money is like compost - it's not pretty, sometimes it's stinky, and it gets your hands dirty, but you can't grow really good tomatoes without it.

This topic is started out of a sincere effort to help keep the A|N commnity vital, and continue its mission. No one is bragging - it's an example, and I hope an inspiration, to see that others are contributing. Obviously, people want to have a role, they just need a way to make that happen. I hope it's a snowball effect. However, for anyone who does feel more virtuous, or wants to protect their privacy (equally important), how about if you post on Louis' comment wall? He could then remove the post and credit your contribution for matching funds.

And thank you so much. It really does mean a lot.
Or you could just send me a message.
Any time you make a donation and brag about it it then it is more like advertising.

Worth repeating.
I haven't had time to read all of the replies. Sorry if I'm repeating - I'm one of those without a pot to piss in but I'll get $25 together. I think Jesus will help if I pray real hard. OK, just kidding.
Would a small fee per posting be feasible? and then payable when the member's number of posts accumulate enough to be worth the trouble of paying? I wouldn't want to pay $1 but when it adds up to 10 or 20 I wouldn't mind. At any rate, those of us using the site more would pay more. I think the money could be sent to a set-up account/foundation/ whatever...
At any rate, those of us using the site more would pay more.

This is why I won't have anything to do with Meet-up. I worked my butt off organizing a group, and advertised it (and Meet-up) out of my own pocket. So, Meet-up then decides that group organizers were going to have to pay for their groups. Uh... no.

I know at least a few people who don't have spare cash who contribute a lot to this site with their posts and participation. I don't want to see them charged.



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