Brother Richard's speech: "Thank God America is a Secular Nation "

Hey everyone, first I want to thank you for you comments on this speech that was posted here: It was six years ago, and a lot has changed around Nexus since then.

Because it is so old, I thought it would be fun to post a more recent speech that presented at the Atheist Alliance of America’s 2013 National Convention. It is based on an argument I often use when speaking with Christians. It is a warning that they, above all others, should “Thank God America is a Secular Nation.” My time was limited, but I believe my argument is understandable. 

I am working on another project that is related to this talk, so I would really appreciate some feedback (especially from any of you historians).

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Eric, there's more for scouts to know and it's from a higher authority than any god(s)

A federal appellate court (the Sixth in the southeast states as I recall) recently ruled that school children may omit, and remain seated during, the entire Pledge.

The US Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that no one may be compelled to recite the Pledge.

Well, I will never remain seated while reciting the POA...I respect  the POA and the National Anthem very much....but I will never say "under god".

Sylvia, the US Supreme Court said the POA's purpose is to bring children into the political culture. I used that and Paul's words (in a letter to the Corinthians) about putting away childish things to persuade my Toastmasters club to stop using the POA to open meetings. Patriotism? I'm a Korean War combat veteran.

I am from another country...and the respect for the national symbols there is big...nothing to do with the political arena.

I'm ex-military and don't care much for the pledge, the national anthem, or the words "under god." Many have decided in my family that I'm no longer "patriotic." Those days left when I got out of the military and watched over the years how everything gets twisted. Apparently this is an effort by the religious right that has come forward since religion thought it had regained a place in politics. Religion fights again for a place in public schools. Wake up. It isn't 1950 any longer. Telling everybody "love it or leave it" does not solve religious or immigration problems in America. Evangelicals, Baptists, and Pentecostals do not have the high ground. They never did.

I saw a car just yesterday that had an American flag on a small pole attached to the door. That's nice. What would the flag be if we all lived in another country? Two blocks from me a family flies the American flag outside on a flagpole daily while my now dead neighbor used to fly a Confederate flag. Did he want my wife to be a slave? While these overly patriotic people are free to do as they will, do they really want to go back to 1864? I doubt it. I'm just not really sure what their statement is.

Many things are behind these actions but we should all be thankful that we remain a secular nation. The right continues to pander for the votes of the religious but we are not founded on religion or religious principals.

About the confederate flag flyer. " they really want to go back to 1864? I doubt it. I'm just not really sure what their statement is."

Michael, were you able to ask them what their statement was, or were they the kind of people you didn't want to talk with?

Years ago I was friends with all of them and we never looked at any of it critically in any way. These days I'd rather not talk with them.

I get that, Michael. There are far right people here that I won't reach. I leave them alone.

It’s my reading of history that everytime “conservatives” in the GOP and other parties with a large number of religious-right members oppose a secular governmental program, like Obamacare, that helps our citizens without the help of the church, the real reason is because it will make religion less relevant and closer to becoming extinct.

eric, guessing at the "real reasons" such people do things wastes important time and energy that can be better spent remedying the problem.

As an activist long ago told me, don't get upset; get even.

As far as I know...(I have friends who got Obamacare)...this needs to be changed; is too expensive and doesn't cover what is supposed to cover.

Anyway, I believe Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, abortion, education, illegal immigration...are all subjects used by the politicians to keep the masses entertained while the big boys "manufacture" their big business.

Yes, it is a smoke screen.

Biden and Obama both admit the ACA needs to be changed. The GOP wants to rip it in shreds, take out the rich man subsidies so the poor pay for most of it, claim you will have better coverage, then they think everyone will be happy. The strategy here is similar to buying Manhattan Island from the Indians for trinkets and beads.




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