just had this thought~ the next time you are told this is a Christian nation, founded on christian principles, reply


" well, if that is the case, that would make this a White nation as well."


See if people will start saying that now; the point is, the argument that they use rests on parameters that would make this being a rich, white, slave owning nation as well.  due to the current climate of political correctness, I doubt anyone would ever say that publicly~ this would be a good way to force the hand.

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I can't stand that bull crap argument.  We were NOT founded on christian principles.  The founding fathers went out of their way to ensure that the state did not get in the business of faith.  So much so, they put it in the first amendment.

This would also be a nation of hemp growers -- just sayin'

Well put.

"we were also founded on slavery, white supremacy, and other defunct ideas."


You forgot genocide.

... and the first and sixth amendments to the Constitution.

We are always told that we need to understand the context of X (X being the bible, koran, etc). Well, people who insist we are a Christian nation should apply that to themselves and read them all and re-assess that opinion.

Then go read Franklin's, Jefferson's, Paine's, and Madison's thoughts on the topic.
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I moved to SC from the North three years ago.  I wouldn't even try to change anyone's mind.  These people down here aren't above violence and property damage to settle a philosophical argument.
I would suggest this quote from Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion ", from which the title of this page and the quote are taken: "The religious views of the Founding Fathers are of great interest to propagandists of today's American right, anxious to push their version of history. Contrary to their view, the fact that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation was early stated in the terms of a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797: " "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musslemen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony exisiting between the two countries." "(p61).
Would that we could say that today!
I would be less than surprised if their response to that argument would just be a shrug or a nod of the head. Only when debating non-caucasian and liberal theists would this be useful, and the latter wouldn't give you that opening, anyway. My curiosity would be if they could name a theocracy that's not in a third world state. And a city country like the Vatican, sitting upon the bloody fortunes they ransacked, doesn't freakin' count.
Okay, a few notes:
1) There is no such thing as 'America'. Despite lifestyle similarities, these people have no cultural connexion, no shared history, no political unity. One reason I am a radical decentralist, because the only thing Americans have in common is a bloated central government. So America is not a 'nation', Christian or otherwise, it is an Empire.

2) Who cares what the fuck old dead white men thought? I don't give a damn about the Constitution, most of classical liberalism is mystical garbage just as nonsensical as Christianity and, for that matter, so is the mainstream political landscape. Was 'America' founded as a 'Christian' nation? I couldn't give a damn. What matters is the truth, not some mindless reverence for what superstitious oligarchs thought.
Based on your picture there, you should certainly care about the constitution.  Our government would love nothing more then to disarm the populace, but the CONSTITUTION does not allow them to do so.  It is the social contract we have with our government and is what is supposed to guarantee us the most freedom as citizens anywhere in the world.  I care about what our founding fathers thought as well.  They were very smart people way ahead of their time and are the people responsible for this nation, now an empire.  We've lost our way with the constitution, and it's why we're in the hot mess we are in right now.
"Based on your picture there, you should certainly care about the constitution."
I don't need a piece of paper to have rights.

"Our government would love nothing more then to disarm the populace, but the CONSTITUTION does not allow them to do so."
The Constitution was a centralizing document put together by east-coast elites to enshrine their interests and create a veil of legitimacy for an intrusive mercantalist State. Read Lysander Spooner, "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority." The idea that a piece of parchment, interpreted by the same State it is supposed to restrain, could ever protect liberties is absurd. It does just the opposite, it disarms people intellectually by creating false comfort. Also see Anthony de Jasay's "The State".

As Spooner said, the Constitution has either authorized what we have now or it has failed to prevent it, in either case it is not fit to exist.


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