It is happening in England where it is so obvious.
When will something similar become obvious in North America?
The Church of England is just 'one generation away from extinction', the former Archbishop of Canterbury said yesterday.
Lord Carey laid the blame at the feet of Church leaders who he said should be 'ashamed' of their failure to bring youngsters into their services.
His stark message was echoed by the Archbishop of York, who told the General Synod that compared to the need to attract new worshippers, 'everything else is like re-arranging furniture when the house is on fire'.
The Most Reverend John Sentamu told the Synod – where leaders will debate how to persuade traditionalists to accept women bishops – that they spent too long 'arguing over words and phrases, while the people of England are left floundering amid meaninglessness, anxiety and despair'.
Lord Carey, who stepped down from Lambeth Palace in 2002, remains among the most high-profile campaigners for Christianity in the country.
He said: 'We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. We are one generation away from extinction – if we do not invest in young people there is going to be no one in the future.'
The series of high-level warnings about a looming crisis comes at a time when Christian belief and the Church of England appear under attack on a number of fronts.
Recent census figures have shown a decline of more than 10 per cent in a decade in numbers of people who call themselves Christian, and the courts have rejected a series of pleas from Christians for respect from the law for their beliefs.
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Invest in young people all you want. They do not believe you. The expansion of knowledge easily reachable by the Internet at the touch of a finger is only but one of the reasons why. The Internet will contribute greatly to the death of religion.
"Invest" in youngsters ... or indoctrinate them?
And as for "the people of England are left floundering amid meaninglessness" ... has it occurred to any of them that what is indeed meaningless is their belief system, its antiquated and flawed holy book, and its manipulated and manipulating dogma?
These people haven't read their own bible. They've built their house upon the sand - the sand of LIES, of make-believe and myth - and the winds and the storm are coming.
Islam in the UK disturbs me, because of the foothold they've been allowed, particularly in the "sharia zones" which supplant UK civil and criminal law with that of the quran and hadith. Their attempt at multiculturalism is undermining the foundation of English society, and I have to wonder if anyone outside of Pat Condell sees it.
Loren, the points of observation that you make are well-expressed and flawless.
The British leaders are oblivious to the Islamist dangers that you cite. All that the MPs are concerned about is what to do and say in order to win the next election.
Christians may use the increased impact of islam as a way to promote their cause - "It's us or them!".
To me that's like Judy Dench in The Chronicles of Riddick:
"But sometimes, the only way to stop evil, is not with good. You must confront it with - another kind of evil".
Of course, that would mean christianity is "another kind of evil". Which I might agree with. But they probably would not appreciate that characterizations.
I postulate that the way to confront islamification, or any other religionification, is by diversity, economic democracy, the comforts, baubles and seductions of Western life and play, full integration, intermarriage, intermingling, and education.
Add one more element to your equation, SB: KNOWLEDGE ... and the means to communicate and share it. That is the enormous value we have in the internet: a vehicle to express and promote what we know and experience with anyone on the planet.
That is why it is said: the internet is where religions go to die.
The Islamists should be sent back to the Middle East where they belong.
Actually, I would prefer that they be told this:
There is ONE standard of law in this country: the criminal and civil statutes which are set forth by the Crown and enforced by the police. Sharia law is NOT supported, nor will it ever be. If you are willing to abide by the law as we define it, you are welcome to stay. If you wish to insist on sharia as your standard, we would strongly suggest you emigrate to a country which supports it.
We will not.
Yes that would be better for sure.
Mindy, I'm nowhere NEAR that good. I just look for those issues where I feel like maybe I know something, then take my best shot. There are plenty of issues where I either know exactly SQUAT or don't have a dog in that particular fight or am frankly indifferent.
If you or someone else finds a value in what I have to say, terrific. I'm just here to help and to add what I can to the conversation.