Hello My Name is Ryan. I'm an agnostic (maybe I Don't belong here?) with atheist leanings (oh nope yeah I do). I'm a huge comic book nerd and currently a college student with a psych major. I enjoy watching documentaries on biology and astrophysics (ergo I'm a huge Carl Sagan fan) and watching debates on religious topics.
My history is too long and torrid to go on for a long time but some key points to note:
I've lived in SD Nearly all My life (The prevalence of ignorance is disturbing)
I attend SDSU, and have argued with a supposed "Religious apologist" Frank Turek. I'd like to think that I won those arguments during the Q&A session because he got to points where he'd just say "Ok We're going to drop it".
I Hope to learn much here.
Hi Ryan, welcome to Atheist Nexus.
No, agnostic is still nontheist, so your good here ;)
Hope you enjoy your stay and come in and join our discussions.
See ya around in the forum :)
Are you agnostic about the existence of a huge invisible spaghetti monster? How about the city of leprechauns at the center of the earth? An atheist is just someone who doesnt believe in those things, or gods, or monsters in closets, etc. without some kind of falsifiable evidence. You dont have to assert those things DONT exist to be an atheist, its a passive thing. You just dont believe in them, or ghosts, or santa clause...and its the responsibility of the person claiming otherwise to prove it to you.
just curious anyway. Agnosticism always puzzles me.
I think the term agnostic as used by most people is a confusion between "belief" and
"know". They say they are agnostic because they do not KNOW.
But, no one actualy knows one way or the other. If we really did KNOW, we must
possess the same attributes as god (and we dont!)
It is not weather or not you KNOW, but weather you BELIEVE.
If you do not believe, you are atheist, not agnostic.
Agnostic has strict philosophic meaning, so unless they are into philosophy, I dont think
they are agnostic.
One examinens the available evidence for and againts any proposition and in the absence of imperical data, you hold off belief until the data proves otherwise.
The "just because I dont know, doesnt mean there is no god" argument is a falacy.
"Agnosticism always puzzles me."
Agnosticism can be a great psychological "escape hatch", a way to have your cake, and eat it too.
One can convieniently disbelieve until the "last moment", and they have that reserved doubt in the
backs of their minds saved "just in case"! ;)
I should rephrase...how people can become convinced they are "agnostic" puzzles me. I think its funny that almost every agnostic I've met feels quite strongly that they are on the intellectual high ground and looks down on everyone else based on their apparent "expertise" on uncertainty.
"Until I have read enough and become educated enough in the ways of physics and biology I don't feel as though its right to call myself something without being knoweldgable enough on the subject."
I'm glad you think that way, having little knowledge of science does not stop most people from believing whatever nonsense they want.
Just understanding the biology of evolution is certainly enough to refute Genesis.
Most theist's have modified their arguments away from ontology, and turn of the century philosphy and have developed elaborate cosmological arguments based on twisted interprations from real scientists and quote mining.
As the "god of the gaps" grows smaller, theists are left with very little to argue, and when you think about it, why would they want to argue in the first place?
If they are born again true believers, and convinced that they are going to be with Jesus forever in heaven, why should they care what anyone else thinks
since there place in heaven is already secure?
They have that "faith".
Being an atheist also doest mean you cant change your mind.
If good scientific evidence of god ever became available, any scientist would be all over it and if a workable theory could be developed based on the new evidence, we would be the first to adopt it.
I dont think there even is such a thing as ultimate truth, those two words together dont make much sense. Even truth its self is an elusive concept.
A philosopher could argue that there is no truth, but this is not something normal people think about and doesnt aply to our lives and our perceptions of reality.
Until theists can come up with evidence, or even a good argument, I will remain an atheist.
Have you read any of the books by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Hitchens, Dennett, etc.? Esp. Dawkins' "The God Delusion"?
Dawkins book in particular is filled with valuable refferences, even if you dont agree with him, it is very well researched and I have yet to find an error (except sometimes I think he missinterprets some of the ancient writtings).