I define faith as believing in something that is obviously false. Belief in something that is clearly impossible, untrue, a lie.

"In spite of the fact that George drank every day for 17 years, Jan had faith that he would stop today."

"faith of a mustard seed you can command a mountain to move"

Faith is belief in the ridiculous, the stupid, the invisible, the unproven, the impossible. Faith is identical to delusion.

It does not take faith to belief in things like scientific theories, because they are obviously true. They come with evidence. Faith is belief that the world is 6000 years old in spite of overwhelming physical, falsifiable evidence to the contrary.

How do you define faith?

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From Glenn:

***”The handiest dictionary lists 8 definitions for the word or standard phrasal usage's. The first equates faith with trust and/or belief in somebody or something (non-religious).”

So I went to one of my dictionaries and looked up “trust”, and Lo! there be “faith”.
This kind of seems circular to me, and would be a woefully inadequate depiction for the purpose of discussing “faith” at the A/N web site.


I am sincerely interested in this first definition:
“trust and/or belief in somebody or something (non-religious).”

Could you provide an example of the word being used in this manner?
"I have faith that she will do the right thing in any situation."
I have faith that some people will never accept the non-religious use of the word faith.

I also have faith that when these folks decide on how the word faith will be defined on A/N from here on out, they will be so kind to email everyone so we will all know exactly how we should use the word so they're not confused anymore. We should thank them for this public service.
I have faith that there are more people of A|N capable of either of using context to clarify their inferences or, at the very least, identify their confusion and have it cleared up in comment process.
I certainly hope I have not been guilty of "yelling" or "proof by repetition". If you feel I have been, I would very much appreciate if you could point out an example in this discussion that warrants such a case, and I promise I will do better. "proof by repetition" is a personal pet peeve, so I can see we have that in common, as well as playing devil's advocate, which you do beautifully by the way - although my goat remains securely in his pen ;)
For the Greeks, Faith was a powerful word, pistis, and for the Romans, fides, with the same Indo European roots and the same basic meanings, was one of the five or ten most powerful in their language.

In the polytheistic Roman world, pistis/fides was good back up: a guarantee or other binding commitment (the sweater might invoke, for his own destruction in case he lied, the combined powers of the earth, heaven, and the underworld); the past experience of a businessman’s good faith or good credit; the long term reliability of friends, family, associates, or fellow-citizens, or a proof or very persuasive argument. Pistis/fides could also be the feeling of trust evoked by any of these things.

In his Speeches, Cicero used the word faith in make-or-break and even life-or-death situations. For the polytheistic ancients it came from watching their backs. The Christian faith comes from the agape version of love, from putting away intent self-protection and relying on God’s providence.
Easily overcomeable mental illness with (sometimes) severe consequences on the social aspect, affecting most of the population of this planet.
Faith is what happens when you close your eyes and ignore the facts, probably with your fingers seated firmly in yours, singing "la la la la la la la la!" so you can't hear anyone else ;)
Faith and delusion have the exact same definition.



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