I have noticed atheists coming out in support of homosexuals. Do some feel that supporting homosexuality is a necessary part of atheism ? Or, do they support homosexuality simply because religion opposes it? What is the attitude of atheists in general to homosexuality? Where homosexuality deserves support and where it should not be supported?


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I agree - so education in steps and stages needs to do it in a way that isn't sugarcoated, dishonest or giving out free passes - 

So what about asking questions to understand clearly why they think the way they do - then challenge each point - and get them to question their motivations step by step - that isn't sugar coating - it's just aiming to educate and get to the bottom of it all.... with a bit of personal questioning too perhaps .....  I realise that being gay would mean that you might be defensive of your position - as it is a non mainstream place - and comes under attack from mainstream society - so I find that positions such as these - being gay, vegan, vegetarian, whatever minority group you like - it's tough to then take a educational leadership type role, that doesn't get offended or effected by ignorance or mainstream arrogance of position.....  or fear of the unknown leading to attack etc....  I don't know - I'm not perfect - but I'm finding that what I like about discussions on here is that I can pretty much be myself - and make lots of mistakes and someone usually explains it too me if I ask enough.....  even when I totally put my foot in it.....

Our political correctness is quite well known in our educated western society - but I think it needs to be ok to make political correct faux pas in order to alert others to your need for education.... if you know what I mean :)

I did watch a doco on that but there was as many blokes having sex with female prostitutes and bringing aids home.....So I think that may be tainting the Gay indian community a little harshly. That said I am pretty clueless on all this especially when it comes to foreign countries.....I suppose my comments are mainly based on a desire of how the world ought to be, rather than how it is...I don't know...further input required for me.....lol.....that may not have been the best choice of words....oh well...

I didn't see a documentary - I was told the story by a man on a train in India.....  and you know what stories are...... :)

hiv has never been isolated in any laboratory on planet earth...

i started a thread about it so as to not railroad other threads..

check " house of numbers"

apparently "the nerd" was being a geek, and tried to discredit the thread without ever doing research.

generally people who critique things before investigating them have a PERSONAL agenda.


peace alice, i hope trust all is well, and i bid you peace and positive vibrations

hiv has never been isolated in any laboratory on planet earth...

Really? Then the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was mistakenly awarded to Luc Montagnier, Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, and Harald zur Hausen?

charles - cool - I think you've got him on that one! :)

nafir - I'm lost about what this is in relation too - I have a vague memory of something - I'm finding it a challenge to keep up with 100 email's per day and still keep up with my personal responsibilities outside of internet socialising... :)

peace and positive vibrations sounds good - I'll go with that :)

Madhukar - I would really like it if you would share some of the attitudes and stories regarding homosexuality in your country.  It would assist us all to be more enlightened about answering your original question - and may also give you more understanding about the differences between homosexuality in the west as compared with India.  I will aim also to explain better homosexuality from a western perspective - as it is viewed very differently here and has had different history culturally.

Alice, you are very kind. I have studied your earlier inputs. I have left this discussion for good. I have answers, I have questions, but the level of comments is so declined that asking and answering in a spirit of discussion is not possible. Be kind and allow me to conlude the discussion.


Madhukar - I have found that discussion on AN often can become tense and many emotions fly.  It is hard at first to take and pulling back is a normal reaction to such offences.  The culture here though does seem to be that people will express their minds, hearts and thoughts fully - they will not hold back - and I really must support this culture - because even though it is hard at first, and the gentle part of us does suffer - it does also lead to much new light on matters.  I have much more integrity for pushing through with discussions on here.

But if you need to take a break and have a breather - I am more than willing to support you in this.  But please, know that there are many people on here who are keen and willing to also support you in gaining greater understanding of these issues from other persepctives, as well as wanting to understand your perspective and why you think and feel the way that you do.  

This spirit to me is the only way that we can come together as a community - it is tough and rigorous because we do have such different perspectives - and in all of us we hold superstitions and untruths that will cause us pain when they burn and die inside of each of us.

Best of luck.

There are not enough of us globally to abandon our conversations....You can be sure that as harsh as we may be in debate..Most of us would I'm sure be equally as hospitable in person or to one of our comrades in need....So suck it up get back on the horse and show us your side of the coin///

I agree.

Discussion and debate should be the life-blood of an atheist. After all, what are atheists if not people who are determined to find the truth, irrespective of how hard it may push us, or how harshly our ideas may be challenged?

Atheists, like scientists, should rejoice in having their ideas being proven wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence against them, because only then do we know that we are progressing and getting ever nearer to the truth.

Dawkins: 'I'd rather be unhappy and know the truth than be happy and live a lie'.



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