Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?

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For example, what would be the point of eliminating religion if we decided to use the same methods they do?

"Ends justify the means" is a concept of the morally bankrupt IMO and often leads down the path of extremism and terrorism because any act can be "justified" under the name of a "higher good".
This is my first reaction as well. All too often, the 'means' are so egregious that the 'ends' are forgotten!
All too often, the 'means' are so egregious that the 'ends' are forgotten!

Nicely put. I may steal that phrase and quote you. Lol.
I don't know. That's certainly the thinking religion used to get where we are today. I personally would look the other way if Christianity got it's comeuppance by way of violent lynchings in the street. It would be no more than hard-line followers of that thought system deserve for their stupidity. You have to leave room for the people that attend the church of "whenever-it-suits-me". Those would fall in line when they saw which way the wind was blowing. I mean people are entitled to their stupidity but when it affects ME I want it dealt with.
The answer also is not laying down and playing dead or worse, pretending that things will get better. I've lived nearly 59 years without having to arm myself, but if I see things even hinting at drifting into dangerous territory for the rationalist / atheist community, I will have no compunction about purchasing a Glock 22, logging practice time at a local range, and obtaining a concealed carry permit.

Forewarned is forearmed.
I like ignoring religion, but if the problems caused by them start to affect me in negative ways I would want to fight back. And if they want to use underhanded tactics against me why not do the same to them?

Where is our Atheist Crusade? :)
It's coming. You can't teach children any science in school and then tell them to believe in god in church and not sow some doubts. The rest is up to the child. Our numbers will grow. And people waving bibles in your face on a street corner are going to get old real fast. It will be easy for people to be intolerant when they are in the majority and religion will knock it off and go hide in a corner.

Where's our King Richard? :(
YES! that's what is most important: preventing the rebuilding.
hm, your thought processes in the 2 blogs i read are starting to scare me a bit, but I will always humor an opposite opinion and hope you pursue knowledge rather than sadism.

uh... do you know why I don't respect theists? Because they think like that. They hurt people using that kind of thinking. If you use it to justify atheist treatment of theists, not only do you defeat the purpose of secularizing the world, but you also create a new kind of extremist and irrational bigot.

If you go against what you stand for in reason to justify an end you can not possibly foresee, I say you're no better than a theist. A new kind of ethocentric bigot who seeks to crush all theism... that's scary. It's scarier to me than theism. What right have you to say that theists don't deserve to keep their religion?

You don't. They are warlike, irrational, and intolerable, but if you really want to rid the world of those qualities: first you shouldn't use them yourself in combatting them and second you won't have any justification besides your own "faith" in atheism to do so. Not everybody can reason worth a shit, so you just want to convert those people with fear? What kind of atheist does that make you? A powerhungry dictator?

I'm not proud enough (or theist enough) to say that I know what's best for the entire world. If people are going to become peaceful and logical atheists (why else would you bother trying to deconvert them?) they need to be recruited that way. You're stuck in an illogical rut.

Forgive my annoyance. I just thought that being on an atheist site would remove me from this kind of thinking.
It's only a thought exercise. Until someone gets shot take it with a grain of salt.
It will achieve nothing. If religion were to vanish tomorrow, there is more than enough secular superstition to take its place. All you need to do is look at the mound of antivax hogwash and it's accompanying brute imbecility that's been posted here lately. A broken brain is a broken brain - it hates a vacuum and is incapable of thinking autonimously. It will take the first nonsense it runs into as gospel. Nothing changes.
I do not think that ridding the world of religion should be an objective of the atheist community.

First, it's not going to happen; there are lots & lots of people out there who seem to need religion, and if sound, logical reasoning hasn't already disabused them of their delusions then it's unlikely anything else will, either.

Second, even if it could be done, it wouldn't necessarily make the world a better place. It's true that many people commit violent acts in the name of religion but I think that much of the time they're not really motivated by religion. Rather, I think that they've got secular motives and religion simply provides them with a quick and easy justification for their violent acts.

I think a better and more realistic objective of the atheist community should be to show that The Golden Rule is a fundamental concept of human morality that can thrive outside the context of a religious framework. The best way to show that is to live it. Lofty ends never exonerate the perpetrators of nefarious means.


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