Apparently you can't do polls on here.... but

Do any of you think that Jesus actually existed? What do category do you fall into?

A. Believed he existed, claims are false

B. Believed he existed, claims are exaggerated

C. Don't believe he existed

D. Believe he existed, claims are true (sorry had to leave the idiot category open)

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What the hell do you know indeed? Apparently you know how to perpetuate a great straw man argument. You're not replying to my statement, you have twisted what I said into something else for you to knock down to make your own point.

My entire point, a tangent I should have just resisted pursuing I am beginning to think, was this. People say "what is the wrong with the world today?" "What is the world coming to?" It's painful to have to point it out so simply, but my entire point was not that the world is a great place full of love and hope. My point is there was no golden age where things were better we are moving away from, but go right on ahead lamenting the death of the good ol' days.
BTW, I have maintained that I am NOT religious.
Okay enough of this blather about if Jesus or by any other name existed. Was he married ? Did he have a good sex life if he was. Lets really get into it. I want to hear some good stuff. Did the apostles stay celibate ? You will have to crawl under a rock to get the evidence. I will give you all the time you need starting now.
Hehe, that's indeed an interesting question.
When you read the Gospels you certainly see that Jesus was influenced quite heavily be the Essenes, who were very strict in how they adhered to the law: Jesus' ridiculously strict definition of adultery and "murder in your heart" are in a way testimony to this.
Essenes were also celibates, however, so if Jesus really was influenced by them it's likely that he indeed wasn't married. Plenty of Jewish men who considered themselves "holy" did not marry.
Besides: Jewish males around the time usually did not marry until their 40's because they had to acquire a large amount of wealth to even be considered for a marriage. So even if he did wanted to get married it's likely that he wouldn't have gotten around to it with all the preaching and stuff.

Not very good Cosmo material, in other words ;)
Of course, every human is going to want to have sex. It's natural - and yes, you are correct that you would have to dig into some very dark places to get that evidence.
Not all humans want to have sex. The catholic priest are celibate. are they not. Side note. Do not take this comment seriously.

This is Jesus.

He's not a carpenter, he's a cyclist.

And yeah, he exists.
My Jesus specializes in putting linoleum in homes. :3 He even did so for one of the three stooges back in the day. I can't remember which one now. He actually had a hernia operation yesterday. I need to call him to see how he's doing. My Jesus is my maternal grandfather. >./body>
The cars are the least of it. The mansions they live in tell a story. What ever happened to give all you own to the poor.
Two references in Josephus and one reference in Tacitus.
Two references in Josephus and one reference in Tacitus.

1 - Highly suspected forgery

2 - Highly suspected forgery

3 - References Christian belief in Christ without specifying one way or another if Tacitus himself believed (or had any secular reason to believe) that their messiah was a real person.

Both of these references were written generations after Jesus supposedly lived and well after the first writings of Paul began to circulate.
Er, yup. Name me a single, a single reputable historian who agrees with what you're saying.

At this moment, you're acting like you a creationist: desperately clutching at every straw, every indication, every shred of evidence that just might make the case for a historical Jesus less strong. And you're doing so in the face of a consensus of professionals and scholars, while you are getting your information from Wikipedia articles.

Never mind professional historians disagree with you, never mind this kooky conspiracy theory has disappeared (for good reason) in the 19th century and hasn't been taken seriously by any reputable scholar every since.

Please, come up with an alternative theory: who invented Jesus? When? Why? Why does he fail so many Messianic prophecies? Why did nobody (even early Christianity's many enemies) fail to notice Jesus' nonexistence?


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