Right Wing Republicans always say they are the party for Family Values........It is a code word against Gay Families, Abortion Rights,etc......Why is it so wrong for two people of the same sex who truly love each other and want to raise children ruining Family Values?........Why is it so wrong for a young woman, who may have been careless with an aggressive boyfriend and got pregnant, to want to get an abortion, because she has big plans to go to college and become a Professional......Why is to wrong for a middle aged woman with grown children, who accidentally gets pregnant, and just wants to relax and enjoy life with her husband without raising yet another child, get an abortion? Why is it wrong for any woman to have an abortion, if they are not mentally or financially ready to raise a child properly?.....I have read that a fetus has no human like qualities until the brain is developed ,which usually is the end of the second trimester........Yet we are being told by the Right Wing that life begins at conception......Sadly, many conceived embryos never attach to the endometrium and a miscarriage results.....Many embryos at this stage are just a mass of cells......Wouldn't it make more sense to say Life begins when a fetus can possibly live on its own outside the womb? As mentioned, this is generally in the third trimester or end of the second trimester.... Why doesn't anyone defy the Right wing on their Family values........As rational thinkers, Atheists are better qualified to define Family Values......Religion has way too much influence on Theists for them to make rational judgement on this subject......IMO...
I'm sorry, the first thing that popped into my mind was Tom Lehrer's song, "Be Prepared."
The RC church has been losing control since Galileo made their geocentric model of the solar system look as foolish as it was and is. Their control of education used to be absolute; now even they acknowledge that evolution is the most likely explanation for the diversity of life. Their grip will be chipped at until they have nothing left to grasp at.
And the scariest part of the whole business is that they'll be the last to get the memo.
Because they spend all their time praying instead of taking steps to make things better?
Perhaps because when you have "GOD" whispering in your ear that you are right, you don't have to consider anyone else's opinion or position?
It could always be that WONDERFUL marital counseling provided by the church for free, with counselors often uniquely unsuited to relationships themselves?
Free, you are hinting at a fundamental question about the nature of morality. Theists claim a monopoly on the origins of morality. Without an absolute lawgiver morality is without foundation, they say.
This notion is one of the greatest lies of all. It is bigger than the creation stories and attendant fairy tales. Its acceptance results in oppression and discrimination which inures to the benefit of those in power. The minorities afflicted by religious morality prosper only to the extent that religion and its tenets are not heeded. Evolution has created a place for empathy and rationalism, the true bases of morality.
Beyond this basic understanding it is also the case that true adherents of religion are incapable of moral choices except insofar as just solutions to issues coincide with the religious solution. The adherent has surrendered her freedom to think and judge of a matter in a rational way. Instead she must observe the path determined by theology.
It is my hope that atheists are more strident about the claim of religious morality than they are about the fairy tales. The arguments circulating ad nauseam in regards to existence of god(s) leave the theist wanting proof there is no god. We can not give it except in amorphous philosophical terms which leave many theist glassy eyed. But we can know something about history and the influence of religion on civilization. We can rebut the great lie and raison detre of religion, no ifs, buts, ands or jelly beans...
Theists have NO right to demand proof there are no gods. It is up to the people making the positive claim to prove their fantasies are real. And they can't.
You believe in god? An all powerful being that always existed and he made and created us and everything else.
That's an extraordinary claim. If you believe this, then it is you who must have the extraordinary evidence.
Me, I don't believe in your god. I say there's a 99 % probability that no such god exists. I need not to produce any evidence simply because I have not ruled out your god completely. I simply say that I do not believe he exists. If you think he does exist, then show me some evidence.
There is none. There never was any evidence for any god. Not just the christian god. There is no evidence for any god of any kind. None. Zero.
THEISTIC FAMILY VALUES
The sperm meets the egg and they shake hands. Hello, it's a baby! (Well, maybe not. It's all bronze age superstition. Wake up and start following science.)
BTW, if you want a striped baby like a Zebra, be sure and have sex in front of a window with a properly adjusted venitian blind. Maybe a bamboo field would work. If you want the baby to be spotted be sure and conceive on a hot sunny day with a trees leaves blocking some of the sun. Hey, the bibble says it works for animals and cattle.
The problem here is obviously theists doing everything by the book, but it's a very old and out dated book and it has nothing to do with "family values." I can only imagine some right wingers thinking if their mother had abortions then maybe they wouldn't be here. The solution then becomes getting control of a woman's body while claiming the rites of god.
My family values are very simple, I live by this rule; if it quacks like family and swims like family, it must be family. I found a lot of new family members; some for a short time, some for years. And it has been a good way to escape the loneliness of being a reject among my blood relatives.
I certainly found family here on A/N, and it makes me feel good. You could say that it's a bandaid for a big hole in my past, but that is not true and it would be greatly disrespectful to many warmhearted people. We'll bicker some more by and by.
And of course I found many family members in real life too. There's always more to share.
I completely agree with you, Plinius, that family is whomever you choose to be family. Sometimes when I think strictly of blood ties, I think family is "the other F-word."
> This notion is one of the greatest lies of all.
Absolutely! And it's one of the lies I resent most, first of all because it's so ridiculous, and second because gives the religionists such an air of superiority. I love Penn Jillette's story of some person of faith asking him "If you're an atheist, what keeps you from raping and killing anyone you want to." His answer was "I do rape and kill everyone I want to, and that's no one." Truth is like kryptonite to these people.