I've read through a portion of this discussion but not all of it, so this may have been suggested before. I really recommend the Reasonable Doubts podcast , episode 29 for anyone who wants to find out more about the free-will / determinism debate. I favor determinism myself, and *disclaimer* the hosts of the podcast also back up the deterministic outlook quite strongly. I think it's great that we can have this discussion within the non theist community and recognize that it can only be resolved through the application of reason and evidence. And nobody threatens harm or death to those who disagree with their views. Bonus!