A cousin-in-law on Facebook (I know, I know) put up  something that a friend of hers said about the tragedy happening because everyone does not put wonderful, loving 'god' first in their lives, blah, blah, blah.  I, of course, couldn't keep my mouth shut and said it had nothing to do with religion, moral people are moral people, and this guy was obviously insane.  Then the cousin-in-law said she believes 'god' has something to do with EVERYTHING. 

WHAT THE FUCK do you say to that?  REALLY?  Her 'god' had something to do with that?  And WHY would you worship something that had the power, but didn't do anything to save those babies?????

I know, we talk about this all the time.  I really just want to be a hermit.  I hate dumb people, and there are WAY too many of them.

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Loren I need a like button for that piece!

I couldn't agree more and I think perhaps we should talk about handling ammunition purchases in the way we handle cold medicine, you sign for it when you buy it and show I.D. and there's a lot number for tracking. There should be a limit on the purchase amount unless you're at a range and purchasing for use while on the range. That way too, in the same way we handle the drugs and fertilizer components that some radicals use to make bombs, we can track larger lots of ammo through the system to where they'll be going and flag the larger purchases that fall outside the range of accepted usage purchases. Since banning gun purchases isn't going to cover the problem with the weapons already out there, this is one way we could deal with the problem of shooters coming in with footlockers of ammunition in their trunks. Sure, some still will slip through the cracks and purchase on the black market and some places are going to foul up the system not using it correctly from the sales location, but we could make it just a little harder for the nutbars to buy huge amounts of ammo and we could handle reloading materials in the same fashion. 

I noticed someone saying on another thread on FB that we couldn't possibly check everyone's mental status, I disagree.  We do a drug tests for employment and many of us take some sort of personality profile like the MMPI before we're hired and I feel that if you can't wait for the tests and the background to clear in order to buy a firearm, that we need to be asking you what your hurry is and you need to be flagged for that, it's suspicious behavior. We should be able to ask if you're currently on anit-psychotics for those purchasing firearms, I don't understand why that's not already a prerequisite just like the criminal background check is for handguns. Law abiding, stable, tax paying citizens will have access to firearms still, it just won't be 'walk in the local wal-mart and buy a cheap rifle or shotgun for your kid for Christmas', there will be paperwork and a process behind it and I honestly want to believe most Americans would be okay with that. Frankly I don't think a great many adults down here should have guns and I'm reaffirmed of this when New Year's Eve rolls around every year and our stupid, backwoods hick neighbors fail to understand gravity... I'm terrified one of these nights the bullets are going to come through the roof and with my bad luck they won't kill me, they'll just cripple me and make me more crotchety than I already am!

Unfortunately, those people who refuse to consider reasonable restrictions on weapons will not recognize their place in this debate. They believe they are the courageous ones, standing tall against those who would destroy democracy and take their freedom.

I really don't want to hurl insults at people. It rarely convinces anyone of their error. Still, this appears to be a dangerous fetish, protected by an obsolete amendment. It's a mess and we need to deal with this head on. No debating the meaning of the amendment. No useless discussions about the phrase "assault weapon". This could go on forever, and I believe that is the intention of the NRA and the gun industry. We can only resolve this issue by another amendment. I just don't know if there are enough people onboard to get it done. If not, we'll have one after another of these slaughters.

In the meantime, we're here:



It is noteworthy that many gun owners will proudly brag of the arsenals they own.

Now if it were their porn stash would they be so bragging publicly?

Perhaps that is the way the debate should be painted: as one of shame.

I is amazing the response the gun nuts have to the tragedy....

It is also, sadly, entirely too predictable.

What brings the criticism of God not protecting those children because God is not venerated within the school, is the fact that previous massacres occurred in religious schools and places of worship.

That fact, fucks up their stupidity!

Chris Rodda had a pretty good column about this. She included a list of atrocities having a religious connection.



THAT is a premium piece of data, Greg!  Thank you for posting it!

And to repeat a point which has been made elsewhere, why is it that god has abandoned those kids who were molested (and very likely CONTINUE TO BE MOLESTED) by priests in catholic schools and churches?!?

Obviously the poor people killed in this tragedy did not deserve to die,but the people of the USA deserve to have these tragedies visited upon themselves whilst a vast majority of its inhabitants believe in the right to bear arms.The opinions of most Americans mean these killings will continue,and American individuals are playing a sort of Russian roulette that it will not happen to them as individuals.

The USA is the only advanced country in the world to allow just about anyone to buy whole armouries of weapons,and is also the only advanced country in the world which is deeply religious.I am not sure if these two facts are connected or not.

Connected to a long tradition of being a "stiff-necked people", maybe.  Perhaps god would like to strike them down and make me into a great nation instead?

(That's Exodus 32:9-10 for those of you following along in your Bibles.)

They are indeed connected.  Armories give the possibility of mass homicide.

Religion creates raving loons.

Then you have a nation of raving loons with armories.

Definitely a recipe for disaster.

Aye M8!  :@  

To put a different perspective on the shootings in the USA, it is really only equivalent to 4 normal days in the USA, as in a report by the BBC in 2011, 5 children are killed every day in the US, mostly by parents and close relatives. 

Here's an excerpt:"

Over the past 10 years, more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members. That is nearly four times the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The child maltreatment death rate in the US is triple Canada's and 11 times that of Italy. Millions of children are reported as abused and neglected every year. Why is that?"

From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15193530

Smells badly like a very sick society to any rationalist!

Aye M8z!    :@ 




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