I know we're all different thinkers, but I'm just curious if there is a consensus view among atheists regarding firearms?

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I just have one more thought on the mentally competent stance. My husband's grandfather who had dimentia pulled a loaded shotgun out on a male caregiver, the family thought that they had gotten rid of all his guns but he had one hidden under his mattress!
It's things like that that are wrong with how guns are regulated; people who have no business owning a gun being allowed to keep guns. I don't care about the blind guy who owns a gun, I don't care about the guy with no hands who owns a gun, I care about the guy bought a gun when he was sane and subsequently lost his mind.

I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with compelling people to register a gun. We have to register if we want to protest, we have to register if we want to petition, hell, even religions have to register for tax exempt status; what makes gun ownership rights more special than those? Why don't we have a system to take firearms away from the deranged? Why don't we have a system where, "Oh, I see you've beaten your wife. We're taking your guns away."

Sure knives can kill, pencils can kill; but you can probably walk away from a stabbing a lot easier than you can walk away from a gun shot.

If you just want to look at the context of 2nd Amendment, it was written in a time when guns didn't have a fraction of the destructive power that they have now. Guns in the 18th century had one mode of firing: slow. If you shot someone you had to wait 30 seconds before you could shoot again; semi-automatic and fully automatic were witchcraft. Rifling was a new concept and accuracy was something hoped for, not standardized.
Luis, where are you from? It's NOT OK that some municipalities try to require protesters and petition collectors to register. These are two infringements on the rights to assemble and to petition the government enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. I hate it when those who don't care about their rights, are so eager to sacrifice MY rights. Christians always tell me that they don't mind being required to say a prayer as part of the oaths used in courtrooms. Don't be too quick to squander our civil rights. Next time they may come for you.
Luis, you say,"We have to register if we want to protest, we have to register if we want to petition"
This quote comes to mind.
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Lets not compare this with the Holocaust.
Susan, why is it politically incorrect to compare anything else to the Holocaust? We say, "Never again!". How can we prevent injustice, cruelty, and barbarism, unless we recognise the human urges and attitudes that would allow it to happen again? It HAS happened again and again and again. All over the world. The writer, Singer (**I.*beshevis sp.? Singer) not the exact quote, "In their behavior toward animals, all men are Nazis." When we don't see tyranny and injustice except toward our own group, it wiil happen again. Look at the Sudan. Pol Pot. What happened to the Armenians by Turkey (and denied).
Why is it politically incorrect to compare anything else to the Holocaust? We say, "Never again!" but, unless we see the similarities in all injustices and brutalities, it will happen again. And it has. Pol Pot, Sudan, the Armenians in Turkey. And yes, always, to animals.
Isaac Bashevis Singer wrote, "In his thoughts, Herman spoke a eulogy for the mouse who had shared a portion of her life with him and who, because of him, had left this earth "What do they know - all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka." - "The Letter Writer" from The Seance and Other Stories
Because Hitler owned a dog and therefore you're evil.
Sorry for the repetition. This site had a tech problem.
If the comparison is apt then fine. This isn't
Reductio ad Hitlerum. You automatically lose.
Godwin's rears its ugly head again.




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