yeah.. first they had to run naked through their church
Why would I convert someone to atheism ? I'm not appointed to do it.
I am an atheist and that's all. I don't want to think for others.
Jennifer, I have absolutely no interest in converting anyone to anything. What they think is none of my business ... unless their belief intrudes upon my belief. Then, I will fight like a tiger to end their intrusion. If they want to believe in delusions, that is no skin off my nose. If they want to teach "creationism" or "intelligent design" in public education, they are my enemy and it is my responsibility to stop them. If they believe their religion is better than another's, they are entitled to their opinion, even as not all opinions are equal.
I agree, Joan.
Umm, we live in America. Their beliefs are intruding on our lives, every minute of every day. Until the mainstream theocratic movement in this country ends, I feel perfectly justified in being on the offensive.
Your indirect speech, it makes me think about the politicians.
Well, I don't have a great story but after 42 years of marriage my husband seems to agree with me (in matters of religion)! When we married I didn't tell him what I really believed as he was from a very religious family and back then I didn't have the courage to be who I really am. Little by little I guess our discussions have gotten to him and he sees the logic of it all now. Now I can finally share my beliefs with someone who understands! And it only took me about 40 years! Now we can discuss how we can't believe how people can believe what they do and pray for this and that and thank god when their neighbor dies in a tornado, flood, etc. because they are spared. I only wish I realized there were so many of us out there much sooner and I wish I could meet other people who share my beliefs. That said, I'm happy enough to have the internet and most importantly, my husband!
Actually, I don't think it is possible to convert anyone to atheism. I think what happens is that when information is made available to people in whom childhood indoctrination was only mild and who have a certain open-mindedness they arrive at atheism themselves. It would be folly to hand a fundamentalist christian (for example) a book by Harris, Dennet or Hitchens and expect a 'conversion'. Even if a heavily indoctrinated person were to read such a book their minds would be closed to the arguments therein regardless of their logical coherence. That's what 'faith' does. Faith means not wanting to know what is true - Neitsche.
I may give someone information that I know, experiences that I value, relate quotes or data from another, but I don't think I have the power to CONVERT someone to atheism. I'm not even sure that I WANT that ability. After all, no one converted me. I came to the conclusion that there are no gods ON MY OWN.
I hope that those who have questions, who doubt, and who are curious about how the world really work are brave enough to dig, to research, and to simply ask.
I won't convert them to atheism. The facts will.
Yes, indeed. When they can see the facts, think, they convert themselves. Your seeds give them something with which to work.