Anybody seen this number one bestseller (literally, leading the top of the bestseller list) called:


"Heaven is For Real!" 


Preacher's son goes under in surgery and then describes heaven?


Saw a coworker was giving it to her son to read ... so sad :(

WTF America?????



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This story was on ABC Nightly News a few months back.  All I could think about was how much this innocent little boy was encouraged to 'remember' things that really didn't happen....

like the way dream therapies sometimes go off the deep end and people start re-thinking their childhood experiences. See


It also seems similar to 'leading the witness' in court proceedings... leading a child to say what you want them to cannot be very difficult.  I have a hard time believing this boy wasn't 'prompted'.  And a parent who wants to be involved in a book deal and lecture circuit with their child is just a publicity hound, in my opinion.  I wish Christians didn't automatically assume everybody wants to be involved in their 'wishful thinking' vacation from reality!  What next, a cheesy made-for-tv movie?

In fact, a made for tv movie seems almost CERTAIN to be in the offing.  Hallmark channel here they go ...


Everything you mentioned above seems like good enough evidence to question (and for us, rule-out) these supposed "revelations."  Additionally, the fact that his father is preacher seems to be the nail in the coffin in my opinion.  It would be at least considerably more intriguing if the child were born to say (gasp) atheist parents!  In this case they might be able to convince us to listen to their story as it was something that would not be promoted by his upbringing.  Doesn't seal a verdit however; just like many children find out santa claus isn't real from mates at school, it is entirely likely for a child to hear other children who are brought up religiously speak on the cartoonish, Looney-Tunes imagery of "heaven" with its wings and harps and clouds.  I wonder how many meterologists are insulted by this child's rendition of a cloudy afterlife  ;)  


For me, the truth is that saturating a vulnerable brain of a toddler with this propaganda is tantamount to child abuse, and that's what makes it most disturbing :(


Thank you for the link!

I agree...if this child was living in an atheist household THAT would be news... a miracle, even.  Ha  

Children have vivid imaginations and we shouldn't downplay the importance of creative thinking and the love of a good story.  The Bible has some good stories...they aren't true stories based on facts...they are good stories in the same fashion that fable are good stories with interesting moral dilemmas that get worked out in the end and 'teach a lesson'.   I have no problem reading fairy tales to kids and having them learn important lessons of fact, I encourage parents to introduce their kids to all sorts of books, fiction and non.

Teaching that heaven is a real place bothers me.  It is giving false hope.  It is fiction.  I also would put it in the realm of 'propaganda' because it is misleading.  It is promoting an afterlife.  How can anybody know the afterlife?  And this whole idea of coming back from the afterlife is just spooky talk.  I would rather be completely honest and admit that I don't know what happens after death but I'm 99% sure there's no afterlife and leave the discussion there.  There is no scientific proof of an afterlife....let biology teach us about life and leave the description of death as 'the end'.  Stories have a beginning and an end and many chapters.  Death is the last chapter.  Kids respect honesty.  I intend to remain honest with my kids!

What is relly sad about this is how fast the news media jumps on schlocky stories like these because they're big ratings boosters-so much for journalistic integrity!
And commonplace.  Parents would rather tell stories about heaven than admit that death is a part of life.  Sometimes death comes too early.  Sometimes people suffer painful deaths.  Death is not something anybody likes to spend time dwelling upon and parents are so afraid that they'd be traumatizing their kids that they paint the prettiest picture they can about the whole subject!  (Angels and harps playing and walking on the clouds....oh, and of course Jesus handing out visitors' guides to the best places to sit for the best view.)

Yes yes and yes!


In addition to the many other points that add so much suspicion to this so-called "revelation," I can't help but remember how easy it is to get a child to follow a line of reasoning.  Ever been with your child or someone else's and asked them, "do you wanna (blank)?" or something to that effect?  Especially if it were something they did not know, but felt they should have, they will often go along with the narrative without admitting ignorance.  "What did you see in heaven son? Angels and clouds and jesus and your sister?"  Eesh.  I remember when my brothers were real young (before they spoke any real English), we would ask them if they wanted to go take a nap (something they hated) but did it in a very exciting, encouraging tone of voice and they would nod along in happiness until they landed in the middle of their crib ... crying ensued.  Children can be easily led and therefore misled.  


This discussion isn't just about this sort of child-abuse I suppose, but is related to the studies done about NDE (near death experiences).  Y'all should check out the book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman, a man who did very important research with the "drug" DMT, which is produced naturally in the pineal gland of our brains.  His subjects often experienced what can only be comparable to a NDE as many have in surgery etc.  It is hypothesized that somehow during the times we are waving so long to life, the chemical is released in high, metabolizable doses, creating the affect of shooting off out of this world and into another.  This hypothesis eventually be found incorrect, but it sounds much more likely than what we must accept in the world of religion.  


There has also been a movie produced about this subject, and you should demand that it comes to your city to play!  You can go here to do so:



I will check that study and website out later but I have no problem accepting scientific explanations about what the human brain is doing in 'near-death' experiences.  There are chemical explanations that would make a lot more sense to me than these unfounded supernatural beliefs in heaven (and hell).  And when a child is in the hospital recovering from an illness, I'm sure their little brains are firing off all kinds of chemical-induced dreams.  Dreams are vivid.  No question about it.  They can appear disturbingly real at times...and can even provide comforting sensations like being with loved ones that have died.  But that doesn't mean they are depicting real events or heaven.  

Glurgy crap like this ALWAYS tops the best sellers list!  Chicken Soup for the Soul and Angels Among Us (By Billy Graham) also topped the charts back during their heydays--sad!
my (darwin) you are not alone there ... so difficult that they can say literally whatever comes to their minds in these difficult times and yet we have more sufficient answers and are supposed to keep our mouths shut for the "better" ... hogwash

Actually what I find interesting is that when you hear about an atheist (any atheist) who happens to have a near death experience and comes back from it with a belief in 'God' is hailed as a miracle. But if a Christian has a near death and comes back from it realizing there is no God, he is considered brain damaged.

yeah...nothing like good ol' confirmation bias-but if you try to explain this to them they just give you a glassy-eyed look and don't hear a word you say.  I'm not so sure I really believe that we should be a nation where religion is considered a freedom-it's more of a mental disorder in the most classic of senses, and should be treated as one-just like homosexuality was treated by the American Psychiatric Ass'n until 1975.  Religion can easily be defined as "the inability to judge one's own thoughts or actions on a rational basis." 

I have watched a few interview with the boy that this story is about and his father.  In each of the interviews, the father has done much of the talking for the little boy and when the little boy talked you could hear it in his voice and see it on his face that he was thinking, "Dad, why must we keep on lieing about this?"


Little boy, your dad is a money hungry asshole that is lieing to make a profit off of the 75% of Americans that have some sort of a neorological disorder.




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