The rightwing conspiracy theorists are onto a new tack: Obama is like Hitler in forcing universal health care on the country:

This was posted by a woman I know who comes from a very religious family.  It is apparently a big thing in certain conservative groups including those who follow Lyndon LaRouche.

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The problem is that that is exactly what happened in every other major developed economy with their universal health cover.

In Europe, Canada and Australia you cant take 5 steps in any direction without coming accross the dessicated remains of those culled to keep our health costs down.

Its a major impediment to taking a nice walk.

MB

MB, if you find universal health care a major impediment to taking a nice walk, you have ignored the long history of "death panels" that we have known as health care insurers.

Ideology -- be it economic, political, or religious -- blinds people. What has blinded you so?

Tom, if your serious, what has blinded me is the experience of living in Australia where this system works, not perfectly, but does work.

I am a medical rep who sell directly to both public and private hospital groups so I have a good insight to the system.

From what I've heard and seen of the US system it is indeed broken and the Afordable Care act probably wont fix it. That is not a reason to not try though.

My point, through sarcasm, was that there are good affordable systems throughout the world that the US could copy, only it never will.

I agree that ideology blinds people, but we are talking about concrete examples of what does work, not ideolologically driven and blinkered world views.

I apologise in advance if I have misread the intent of your post.

MB

MB - I more or less liked this last post.  

You claim that your initial post on this topic was sarcastic.  Until you clarified this, the sarcasm of your initial post was lost on me.  I'd say for the sake of better discussions, maybe be aware that some readers may not get this sarcasm, particularly if there is no clear signal.  Absurdity or over-the-top outrageous claims are not a clear signal of sarcasm here in US health care insurance discussions.  I'm sure there are plenty here in the US who would be only too glad to take your first post as serious, and agree with it as such.

...there are good affordable systems throughout the world that the US could copy, only it never will.

Many Yanks agree, MB, but the people who rule America seem determined to let natural selection run its course.

While Congress was debating the ACA, an unusually outspoken Democratic representative described the Republican health care plan as If you get ill, die quickly.

My current health care system is now charging for things that were free last year. What they cover and pay for is a standard "pidgeon holed" medical procedure and what I really need I will have to pay for. They call this an HMO but it works best when you don't need it. Rather than get to the bottom of a health problem they seem more interested in brushing it aside.

I always did say that the modern free world learned many things from Hitler. More of that is coming true the longer I live today.

@Michael,

I always did say that the modern free world learned many things from Hitler. More of that is coming true the longer I live today.

Michael, surely you know that Hitler learned it from tyrants before him.

You DO know that, don't you?

You might not have seen (until now) that when you buy insurance you are placing a bet.

1) You are betting that robbery, auto accident, illness, death, et cetera will happen.

2) The insurance company's investors are betting that it won't happen.

If it happens, you "win" and you or your heirs get some money.

HMOs do work best for their investors when people don't need them ! ! !

While I am familiar with the attempts of health insurers to reduce costs by denying service, I don't accept the radical right's argument that it was this that led to Nazi atrocities. That's nonsense.

They also try to blame all atheists for the genocides of Stalin and Mao. Nonsense is their stock-in-trade. Sadly, it sells.

I'm persuaded that unhappy people want so much to be happy that they will buy all kinds of nonsense.

I'm persuaded too that in every generation there will be needy people who, skilled with words, will promise them the nonsense that satisfies them.

When Hitler spoke in public he was believed and applauded as a political genius who would lead Germany back to days of glory. The German people loved Hitler and bought the whole package. People are easily fooled with patriotic rants.

...who would lead Germany back to days of glory.

Didn't the people want him to lead Germany back to economic health?

People are easily fooled with patriotic rants.

Here in the USA, polls are showing that about half of us support the Bush administration's torture program.

What's our excuse?

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