So I'm thinking that when I have kids, I would really like to teach them about Jesus, not as the Messiah or as the Son of God, but as a moral teacher who taught lessons that I cherish such as pacifism, charity, compassion, and love. Of course, I would probably not teach them to worship or pray to him(I'd have to discuss it with my other half), but I think that Jesus ranks up there when talking about virtuous figures for children to model themselves after.

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@ moJoe - *Like*

Will gladly do my part. Thanks!
And I demand you people start behaving like adults and like the "rational" people you claim to be. This is not your litter box. If you want to verbally pee-pee on each other, pack up your act and take it somewhere else.

You were offered a chance to explain your side of the story and you used it to throw a temper tantrum. So here we are.

Last warning: be civil, go, or be removed.
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*Checking that my depends are securely in place...*
To [my boys], Catholic art looks like kiddie porn.

LOL! Perceptive boys!

I too always thought the Greek/Roman gods were far more interesting than bible stories. Ever so slightly more believable too. It at least felt to me (as a child) that the Greeks put a little more effort into explaining the *How.*
I'm pretty sure that Jesus was a delusional narcissist suffering from schizoaffective disorder. 150 years of prayer research shows all of these statements to be complete bullshit.

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
--- Edward Teach; I'm pretty sure that Jesus was a delusional narcissist suffering from schizoaffective disorder.

Whomever he was, if he was, he was followed by any number of narcissistic and/or schizoaffective loonies claiming to speak (write) on his behalf.

One of my favorites:

"And he said unto [the apostles], Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto [the people] that are without, all these things are done in parables. That seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest at any time they shall be converted and their sins should be forgiven them." - Mark 4:11-12

It's a favorite of mine to toss out at the fundies who insist every word of the buybull is literal and inerrant. *Literally* Bible-Jesus is saying he is intentionally speaking in parables in the hopes we unwashed masses *won't* understand and won't be saved. The other option is that the passage is meant metaphorically, or a bible apologist will deconstruct the entire thing using a variety of arguments-from-authority in the hopes of derailing the original point. Either way, the every-word-is-simple-and-literal fundie argument loses steam.
Nietzsche would have found it ironic if he ever heard a religious person use the term "unwashed masses". They would've most likely been the targets of this label. Their failure to listen to reason, and their willingness to give attention to blind faith probably would've made him cringe.
--- Noah Petersen - Nietzsche would have found it ironic if he ever heard a religious person use the term "unwashed masses". They would've most likely been the targets of this label.

Steps to selling your dogma:

1) Present yourself as the expert, here to teach the people the error of their ways. Wear a lab coat. Use big words.

2) Make sure the people don't go wandering off to hear any view points except you and yours. The lab coat and big words help. Argue from authority. A lot.

3) Be charismatic; make the sales pitch sound good. Telling the people what they want and/or expect to hear is especially useful. But you can also use bullying tactics to underscore 1 and 2. ("You'll go straight to hell if you don't do as I say! ... You're an idiot who'll never go anywhere in life if you don't tow my party line! ... Worship as I command you or die at the point of a sword!").
I think you nailed that one! You know the old saying, "Just like mushrooms. Keep em in the dark and feed em a lot of shit"
Except that I *like* mushrooms.

Mushrooms are smarter ;-)


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