On the day of the September 11 massacre, I was off work, post-call from a night at the hospital.  I was puttering in the garden.  Then I was on the internet.  A friend messaged me to look at the news.  One of the twin towers was on fire.  


I thought, that's bad.  But not earth shattering.  Except to whoever was in the tower.  He said, no, this is a major fire.


I turned on the news, and saw it was a lot more than that.  This was a horrendous fire.  Then, watching the news, an airliner flew into the second tower, and it was engulfed in flames.  There were people falling from the towers, to their deaths.  During those falls, they knew they would die in minutes, or seconds.



Here I am, maybe 3,000 miles away, watching the scene of mass murder.  At the time, no one knew who was responsible. 

Then, I watched on TV as a tower collapsed.  At that moment, I was stunned.  I kept thinking, there is something not just wrong, but surreal, about that.  On the news, they said there may have been 40,000 people inside.  

I emailed my partner, who was in China at the time.  He didn't believe me.

Then, the 2nd tower collapsed.

There was a news announcement.  Another plane crash, at the Pentagon.  Another plane headed to DC.

On that day, thousands of people were murdered.  Many thousands more lost their loved ones, their child, their parent, their sibling, their friend, their lover, their spouse, their breadwinner, their confidant, their colleague.


On that day, the sky emptied of airplanes.  No vapor trails.  Clear blue sky.  Eerie, and silent.

There are not many things that happen in a lifetime, when we can say "that day changed the world", or "changed our way of life".  But on that day, the world did change, and our way of life did change.  For the worse.

Looking back, at all of the water under the bridge, it feels like half a lifetime.  Economies were devastated  Families lost their source of income.   We fought 2 wars.  Thousands more died, possibly hundreds of thousands.  Politics in the US became more dysfunctional, more brutal, more harsh.  The world became more harsh.

Fast forward to today.

Today at work, no one seemed to remember, today is Sept 11th.  People do talk about current events, but not this. 

It's a day that we should all remember, up close and personal, in detail.  I' want to commemorate the date.  So much happened.  So much changed.  Those of us here, now, despite what we've gone through, we are the fortunate ones.  

I don't have anything political, or social, or religious to say today.  Just, that I remember.

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Luara, human cruelties can be debated forever.

I was once an idealist. For instance, when WW2 ended and I read of the German concentration camps, I hated that humanity so often chose insane people to lead nations.

When I first read Neitzsche's remarks about the way we humans treat each other, I disliked them so much that for years I wouldn't read any more of his writings.

In a psychology course I happened to read that a child's idealism usually peaks at about twelve years of age, and then gradually declines. My idealism lasted years longer, until I plunged into hardball politics.

I became cynical, but that lasted only until I saw that idealism and cynicism both result from a lack of knowledge about the world, but especially from feelings of powerlessness.

I agree with you that no atrocity justifies another. Because atrocities will not end, preserving our mental health becomes important.

I found idealism and cynicism, and the resulting despair, to be "childish things I had to give up."

I heard people more experienced in politics than I talking about what humans do to each other, and heard a sadness I hadn't known how to express.

Now, when I hear of atrocities, I remind myself that my ancestors were pond scum and they had no morality at all. We've come a long way.

BTW, you didn't learn any of the above in a math class, did you?

And then, incredibly, while on a bloody roll, we also killed our old ally turned enemy Iraq on entirely conflated 'evidence', despite the fact that doing so ran precisely counter to any US interests.
And that is the reason I will have a very hard time voting for Hillary Clinton IF she ever runs for prez. In October 2002 she delivered what I can only call an impassioned speech in favor of invading Iraq, at a time when almost 49% of Americans were yelling, "NO WAY!"  Either she did not do her homework, or she was (and still is) influenced by the xian subversives who run the Family Foundation.  See http://jeffsharlet.com/

I agree.  If I have to vote for Hillary in 3 years I probably will, but it will be under protest of her consistently war hungry actions and obsequiousness to Israel no matter what.  She, Susan Rice and Samantha Power have been the 'big dicks' in recent US belligerent foreign policy.  Every vote I've cast since 1972 has been an anti-war vote, though sometimes I've had to hold my nose and go with the lesser of evils.

We're neck deep in the big muddy and the big fool says to march on.


Has anyone suggested we hold memorials for the thousands of civilians our military killed and maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason at all?  Except so that Flight Suit Boy could make a show of landing a jet on an aircraft carrier that was carefully positioned just off the coast of San Diego, and point to a sign that said "Mission Accomplished." Or for our own dead and wounded who were brought home secretly.

This is the 10th year I have been ashamed to call myself an American.

Or to the hundreds of thousands directly or indirectly killed by US foreign policy?  What about those torn apart by drone missiles piloted by flyboys ten thousand air conditioned miles away or those who live in constant fear of them.  How about the children who have never known anything but the constant threat of what must seem to them random death from above -- El Aguilar Del Norte?

We Americans are the face of death.  War is what we do and almost all of what we do.


Eisenhower was right...too many huge companies (with lobbyists everywhere) have a vested interest in having us butt into every mismanaged country's problems. It's too bad they can't do something constructive like build manned spacecraft that don't fall apart, and/or high-speed rail systems for starters.  We don't have to stay in the killing business.

Has anyone suggested we hold memorials for the thousands of civilians our military killed and maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason at all?

You just did. I will join the effort.

Who else will?

I forgot to add that one of the reasons for my shame...the main reason, really...is not the way the Cheney Administration behaved, that was to be expected, but the way so many "average" Americans reacted toward anyone who had already emigrated from any Middle Eastern country.  They suddenly all became suspects, including people who left their homelands because they were endangered by being Christians or freethinkers, and our across-the-street neighbors who moved here 30 years ago from Pakistan, and have already suffered enough (severe medical catastrophes).

Local business owners felt compelled to paste "God Bless America" decals on their doors and windows in an attempt to prevent vandalism.They were only marginally successful.

Then there were the vicious, slanderous e-mails circulating on the net about "Muslim" or "Arab" convenience store employees laughing and cheering as they watched video replays of the airliners flying into the Twin Towers.



It all makes me feel ill, partly because I have an older friend who was born in America, but spent part of her girlhood in "relocation camps" because her parents were naturalized citizens born in Japan.

It could happen again.

If you think about the current paranoia, invasive TSA and NSA searches, the loss of civil rights due to the "Patriot" (HAH!) Act, and the nastiness that still goes on, I would say that the nineteen nitwits did accomplish their goal, even though we finally got rid of their useless fanatic of a leader.

Again, I express my original intent.  To remember those who died.  To express grief over their loss.  And to express sadness over the cascade of events that followed.

This discussion has moved in other directions.  That's OK.   I infringe on no one's freedom of speech, and in fact encourage expression of diverse opinions.  Especially when backed up with linked references.  But even if not.

On the other hand, the person who originally posts, is responsible for monitoring the comments that, follow.  That means if the discussion goes elsewhere, the original poster is stuck following a discussion they did not intend to start.

I suppose I expressed it poorly.  I think we can grieve for losses even if the individuals who we lose were only human, even if others, elsewhere, have lost more, and even if our government is flawed, and even if we disagree with the politics.  Those killed included many nationalities, privileged and oppressed, adults and children.  To me, humanism means honoring their humanity.

To honor their humanity does not take away from the humanity of people who are oppressed elsewhere, or the many who are impoverished, ill, die, orphaned, or have no civil rights. 

I want to encourage people to start a new discussion of the topic as you wish.  For continuity, you can link to this one, if you wish.  In addition, you can have the last word on this one.  I don't feel the need to have the last word.  But I also do not desire to stay in the discussion.  This post will close in the morning, Sept 14th.


I'm sorry I veered off topic. 

But WHY do we tend to memorialize disasters for years (decades) and totally ignore our victories?  Example: July 20th should be a day of wonder and celebration, if not a national holiday, but most people don't even  remember or care what happened on 7-20-1969. THAT pi##es me off.

Okay, I'll shut up now.




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