Is Atheism a chiefly liberal or conservative philosophy?

I know this may seem like a bit of an odd question but I’ve been wondering about it for the past few days and for some reason I can’t escape the feeling that it (atheism) would be a rather ‘conservative’ point of view (that is, at least in title), and yet I’m constantly being called a liberal because of my social and political leanings. I'm just wondering what your views are on this.


PS: I’ll be gone for a few days but I will catch up with this thread when I return.

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What lie?

It is not immature to point out the obvious faults in institutionalized violence. Being a bully is immature and that is what the socialistic mob is, a big bully.

"It is not the absence of government enforced support from other people that makes someone poor. It is their behavior."

Just to make this point again, because I think it deserves special attention, everybody, this is what a Libertarian like MT believes. Poor people are poor because they have nothing of value to contribute to the society, and NEVER because other people have failed them or mistreated them or took advantage of them or abused their power, NEVER because the system was inadequate to address their needs, NEVER because they were victimized by others, or by bad luck, NEVER because they fell ill or received a debilitating injury, NEVER because their parents suffered in any similar or relevant way, and NEVER because there weren't enough people around them to give them a helping hand.

Let's not forget people, as soon as the job you have trained for is rendered obsolete and you have no marketable skills remaining, or as soon as you get injured and can't return to your workplace, or as soon as you get diagnosed with cancer and can't afford your insurance because you are out of work, or as soon as you become a refugee due to some natural catastrophe (think Katrina) or violent conflict, as soon as anything bad happens to you and you are down on your luck, you are labeled a drain on society and you need to be cut off like the cancer which may be destroying you from the inside. You are now a waste of a human being, a worthless, irredeemable piece of excrement, and the rest of us are perfectly in our right minds to kick you to the curb like the piece of trash you are. U-S-A! U-S-A!
Excellent points, Park.

You don't have a moral right to life at the expense of someone else. Sure you have a legal right, but I am not in any disagreement with anybody about what the laws are, Park.


Personal liberty does not oppress anybody. Your so called oppression is fabricated as an excuse to validate your institutionalized violence, just like your so called exploitation. 

It is definatley wrong to exploit people. But trading with them is not exploiting them. Hiring someone for a job is not exploiting them. Taking their money against their will is exploiting them. The suffering in the above pictures is not my problem. They are not my responsibility and there is no reason what so ever that I should be held accountable at the point of a gun by the mob. You may make it your responsibility to do something about it, but if that is what you want, you should do it yourself. Don't force me to do it.
Park, It's not a question of not wanting to contribute. I give plenty of money to worth while causes. You really are just being juvenile now. My point is that forcing the public to give to an organization of institutionalized violence to help the least fortunate of society is immoral and impractical. You guys are the one's whining about how you want other people to take responsibility to take of other's problems. I am fully willing and do take care of my problems and those I care about. I do not wish to hire people with guns to take care of people I don't care about, especially since it does not help them. It enables to disgusting failed welfare state that I interact with daily.

We humans are smarter, well, some of us are, than having to take money from some to give to others to solve the above problems you cry and whine about.


I compassionately take care of people daily, at the tax payers expense, that are demonstrations of our failed institutionalized welfare state. Enabling dependence on government doesn't work. The way to help these people is by respecting all of our individual rights and empowering those that will work to take care of themselves and their loved ones. Insurance can be affordable, but try and tell that to the countless patients of mine that purchase health insurance, if at all, only after cigarettes, tattoos, IPhones, shoes, gold teeth and who knows what else. We shouldn't just pay for these people to live like this.

Yes, waa waa, my child was born with autism and I can't afford the special services he needs to get him healthier and stronger, but I'm just a whiny little bitch, right? Fuck you, seriously fuck you Michael Tricoci. Not all of us are smoking, tattoo-getting. free-spenders and free-loaders. Some of us are real people with real fucking problems that you can't understand in your little fucking cocoon you've wrapped yourself in.
So, your personal situation and emotional investment in it seems to be the reason behind your political views. That's pretty much the way it goes with the mob. If we look at the situation as a whole and realize that it is not the responsibility of others to take care of you and yours, we can realize that it is moral and practical to have a government that only protects individual rights. We should encourage people to be financially secure and capable of taking care of other people they create, before they create them. I am not in a cocoon. I interact with many levels of society in a myriad of ways. I have been both poor and wealthy. And a large part of my job is to understand how different people representing different aspects of economics, politics, socioeconomic status, and culture relate to each other. And my performance is regularly evaluated by several different peer and superior clinical and administrative officials. And while I have compassion and empathy for those in pain, I can logically realize that we can minimize suffering by rewarding good and not need. But, I understand how you might feel better temporarily by blaming the successful businessman.
I have empathy for people who suffer, compassion for other humans, pity for your ignorance.......I am just educated and smart enough to know that the mob institutionalizing violence makes things worse. We should stop all nonretaliatory violence.
As a matter of fact, not, asshole. I was a left-leaner long before my son was diagnosed, you ignorant fuck. And you inherited your business, and undoubtedly your philosophy as well, so you are not a successful businessman, though maybe your daddy was. You are in a cocoon, and no matter how smart you think you are, there's a lot of very smart people here who say differently (and precious few willing to support you, I wonder why that is?). And you wouldn't know morality if it punched you in the face (which someone should). And what about people who were financially secure before the economy fell apart and they lost their jobs? Did you figure that in to your calculations?
It matters not when you became a bleeding heart liberal. It is still your responsibility to take care of yourself. My thoughts are my own. Stock markets wouldn't crash if there was separation of economy and state. And it is not anyone responsibility to cover another's losses. Yes, I figured that into my calculations. Now you're only upset. That cocoon metaphor is completely invalid, as I have explained I have a lot of experience in many different arenas, especially as they relate to this discussion.


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