Recent surveys suggest that the westernized nations are steadily becoming more secular, good news for most of us. On the other hand, third word nations are seeing a rise in theism. Unfortunately I have not seen direct demographics as to what religions are spreading the most. I have seen some references that seem to indicate that Islam is the current fastest growing religion. Evidently third world nations are outpacing population growth over westernized nations. So like it or not, theism world wide is in fact growing. Christianity certainly dominates Islam in western nations. The greatest, less educated populations are evidently dominated by Islam. So if this is indeed the trend, then should we expect Islam to become a more dominant religion than Christianity has ever been? With the education level of first world countries, should we expect to see a steady decline in Christianity and a powerful increase in an Islamic influence throughout the world?

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It's a race against time.  Islam is on the rise, and there will come a point when being a member of a forum like this puts us on a hit-list.  Hopefully I am being pessimistic and the virtues of free speech and free thought will prevail...time will tell.

>Islam is on the rise, and there will come a point when being a member of a forum like this puts us on a hit-list.

I agree with both of your clauses, but I'm not sure about your "and." There are others out there besides Islamists who would just as eagerly crack out their racks and iron maidens if only they could get away with it again.

Perhaps the education level in first world countries is not as big  a deterrent for the spread of Islam as one might think. America has so many "home schooled" children and "anti-vaxxer" misinformation today, and that trend is likely to increase among Evangelicals.The poor also have less education.  Even in Quora Digest I see questions like "do you have faith in science?" The poster is not aware that science is not a "faith" issue and that faith itself has no merit at all.

We see people in first world countries often running away to join ISIS apparently just for the excitement of killing and being in a gang. I'm sure they are simply used and not very well trusted. Many learn this the hard way.

Imagine being home schooled and then entering a world where others think you are a dolt. Maybe it's because you believe the world was created by a god just a little over 6,000 years ago. Maybe it's because you believe that vaccinations cause autism. With restricted education it might be many things.

We can all be fooled by religion. I was one such person as a teenager. Today I would not believe that a winged horse could take anyone to heaven any more than I would believe that Icarus flew too close to the sun and the wax melted off his wings causing him to come crashing down. Today I'm not as easily fooled because I'm a little older.

You learned a lot along the way, on how to think critically, and what believers think and do. You have a valuable gift Have you celebrated it yet?

For the first time I don't like your reply. It's not wrong....I just don't like to think about it. I felt this way often as a Christian.... go figure....

Thomas, I agree, 100% about "what happens when poverty coupled with religion revolt against the wealthy and powerful..."

Does this knowledge give us a clue about what we need to do about it? It seems to me we have several options:

* pay living wages to those who do our work in production of goods; 

* prepare for a defensive war that will surely be waged against us;

* prepare for an offensive war and invade them before they go after us. 

* do nothing and blame the poverty on the people and countries in revolt;

"Forced labor is widespread, and there’s very little anyone can do about it,"

~ a Peruvian official 

The helplessness occurs because of learning and it can be unlearned! 

Just as helplessness is learned, so is optimism. We need a strong enema to flush out the harmful elements and plant different ways of seeing things. 

There is no reason U.S. citizens cannot influence slave labor of Peru! A boycott is one way. Who should be the target of this inhumanity? 


"pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers and foundries and then purchased by some of the world’s largest companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks, and refrigerators made for U.S. consumers".

"Like hundreds of thousands of workers in Latin America, dos Reis (a worker) collects no wages." He works six days a week and receives no pay! 

"Three companies—Ford, General Motors and Kohler—say they didn’t know that steel they were using was made from material produced with the help of slaves." Well, from where do they get their steel now? We can find out and make a loud noise if they continue to buy supplies from products made by slaves. 

"Slavery is endemic to the charcoal camps."

~ Brazil’s head of slavery inspection 

"Any amount that is sold with the use of slave labor is too much."

~Nucor’s general counsel.

‘Forced labor is widespread, and there’s very little anyone can do about it."

~ Peruvian official.

"In 2004, Brazilian pig iron makers signed an agreement to ‘end slave labor."

"We’ll pay those who are really working,"

~ the foreman at a gold mine slave camp in Peru. 

"I don’t think that slavery exists in Latin America,"

~ an executive at the largest U.S. mahogany importer.

"We’re talking about people forced to work in the worst conditions imaginable, without pay,"

~ Peruvian judge Juan Climaco.

"I want to leave, but it’s hard, You really have no choice." 

~ a gold mine worker.



Concur Joan. We also have the Cobalt and Tantalum that are coming from Congo. I have also read on things that say company "big" people say we are now getting those things from Australia because of those African things.

I only have two STEM college degrees, loved chemistry from forth grade through high school but math and computers beat it in college, I have read a few things from professionals that have said to think of Congo and China, the long hours and mistreatment of its people putting it together, while using your cell phone.

Also with my science background, I know professionals who only use cell phones for business and after that have nothing to do with it because of the radiation from it.

Thomas, I read the article again and wept again. The US citizens need to know that what goes into the products we use have been supplied by people who make living wages. We want excellent quality products and excellently rewarded workers. I know some will say, "we can't afford" the products if we pay living wages to the workers who produce our goods. Well, too bad, if we can't afford them, then we do something else. 

Thank you, Daniel

The Pew Report matches my predictions; or is it the other way around? In any event, the next and future generations have massive changes facing them. 

Permaculture is capable of rebuilding dead soils caused by plowing and using chemicals that kill microorganisms in the soils. Farmers can restore soils ... IF there are water and enlightened techniques used. 

Coastal food production areas destroyed by flooding creates demand for more agricultural land.    Farmers from America's coastal areas will move up the rivers and streams.

Refugees of many nations and all religions will be flooding our agricultural areas. If they come and repeat the mistakes that past farmers made, they will deplete the soil. When I ride through the farmlands of northeast Washington state, I see many farmers who continue to leave their lands bare to the elements of wind and water. If refugees also make that mistake, our fertile top soils will be blown or washed away even faster than it already is.

Who will claim to own the land and water?  

Daniel, I agree that "I'm not going to worry too much about it.  There's no way to predict, and who knows what will happen?" However, I can encourage people to grow food for their families using enlightened methods. 

Is it not interesting that modern farming techniques come from those methods employed by farmers centuries ago and the art and science of those ancient peoples return to modern agriculture?!

Just ask Lindsy Lohan.


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