Recent surveys suggest that the westernized nations are steadily becoming more secular, good news for most of us. On the other hand, third word nations are seeing a rise in theism. Unfortunately I have not seen direct demographics as to what religions are spreading the most. I have seen some references that seem to indicate that Islam is the current fastest growing religion. Evidently third world nations are outpacing population growth over westernized nations. So like it or not, theism world wide is in fact growing. Christianity certainly dominates Islam in western nations. The greatest, less educated populations are evidently dominated by Islam. So if this is indeed the trend, then should we expect Islam to become a more dominant religion than Christianity has ever been? With the education level of first world countries, should we expect to see a steady decline in Christianity and a powerful increase in an Islamic influence throughout the world?

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It's a race against time.  Islam is on the rise, and there will come a point when being a member of a forum like this puts us on a hit-list.  Hopefully I am being pessimistic and the virtues of free speech and free thought will prevail...time will tell.

>Islam is on the rise, and there will come a point when being a member of a forum like this puts us on a hit-list.

I agree with both of your clauses, but I'm not sure about your "and." There are others out there besides Islamists who would just as eagerly crack out their racks and iron maidens if only they could get away with it again.

I agree.  Then again, with christians you never know either.  Despite supposed secularization, christian influence in American politics feels like it has grown disproportionate to their numbers.

Perhaps the education level in first world countries is not as big  a deterrent for the spread of Islam as one might think. America has so many "home schooled" children and "anti-vaxxer" misinformation today, and that trend is likely to increase among Evangelicals.The poor also have less education.  Even in Quora Digest I see questions like "do you have faith in science?" The poster is not aware that science is not a "faith" issue and that faith itself has no merit at all.

We see people in first world countries often running away to join ISIS apparently just for the excitement of killing and being in a gang. I'm sure they are simply used and not very well trusted. Many learn this the hard way.

Imagine being home schooled and then entering a world where others think you are a dolt. Maybe it's because you believe the world was created by a god just a little over 6,000 years ago. Maybe it's because you believe that vaccinations cause autism. With restricted education it might be many things.

We can all be fooled by religion. I was one such person as a teenager. Today I would not believe that a winged horse could take anyone to heaven any more than I would believe that Icarus flew too close to the sun and the wax melted off his wings causing him to come crashing down. Today I'm not as easily fooled because I'm a little older.

You learned a lot along the way, on how to think critically, and what believers think and do. You have a valuable gift Have you celebrated it yet?

  The last major war, WW2, involved industrialized countries in which millions of young men and women were killed. After that, third world counties youth outnumbered industrialized countries youth. There are millions of youth in third world who have no real prospects for a healthy future and us industrialized countries are responsible for this. Major American and European corporations have established slave labor in these countries who happen to be a major Muslim population.

  ..... and we know what happens when poverty coupled with religion revolt against the wealthy and powerful...

For the first time I don't like your reply. It's not wrong....I just don't like to think about it. I felt this way often as a Christian.... go figure....

Thomas, I agree, 100% about "what happens when poverty coupled with religion revolt against the wealthy and powerful..."

Does this knowledge give us a clue about what we need to do about it? It seems to me we have several options:

* pay living wages to those who do our work in production of goods; 

* prepare for a defensive war that will surely be waged against us;

* prepare for an offensive war and invade them before they go after us. 

* do nothing and blame the poverty on the people and countries in revolt;


Not only we must

* pay living wages to those who do our work in production of goods;

We must also:

* Teach them how to protect themselves from other countries and foreign businesses exploiting them.

We also could:

* Offer to teach them about the changing world.

* Offer to teach them about green technologies and renewable energy.

* Offer valuable resources and education in science and medicines.

Joan..equally important is to prevent Trump from perpetuating American exploitation of other countries. An old article but worthy of note:

"Forced labor is widespread, and there’s very little anyone can do about it,"

~ a Peruvian official 

The helplessness occurs because of learning and it can be unlearned! 

Just as helplessness is learned, so is optimism. We need a strong enema to flush out the harmful elements and plant different ways of seeing things. 

There is no reason U.S. citizens cannot influence slave labor of Peru! A boycott is one way. Who should be the target of this inhumanity? 


"pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers and foundries and then purchased by some of the world’s largest companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks, and refrigerators made for U.S. consumers".

"Like hundreds of thousands of workers in Latin America, dos Reis (a worker) collects no wages." He works six days a week and receives no pay! 

"Three companies—Ford, General Motors and Kohler—say they didn’t know that steel they were using was made from material produced with the help of slaves." Well, from where do they get their steel now? We can find out and make a loud noise if they continue to buy supplies from products made by slaves. 

"Slavery is endemic to the charcoal camps."

~ Brazil’s head of slavery inspection 

"Any amount that is sold with the use of slave labor is too much."

~Nucor’s general counsel.

‘Forced labor is widespread, and there’s very little anyone can do about it."

~ Peruvian official.

"In 2004, Brazilian pig iron makers signed an agreement to ‘end slave labor."

"We’ll pay those who are really working,"

~ the foreman at a gold mine slave camp in Peru. 

"I don’t think that slavery exists in Latin America,"

~ an executive at the largest U.S. mahogany importer.

"We’re talking about people forced to work in the worst conditions imaginable, without pay,"

~ Peruvian judge Juan Climaco.

"I want to leave, but it’s hard, You really have no choice." 

~ a gold mine worker.



Concur Joan. We also have the Cobalt and Tantalum that are coming from Congo. I have also read on things that say company "big" people say we are now getting those things from Australia because of those African things.

I only have two STEM college degrees, loved chemistry from forth grade through high school but math and computers beat it in college, I have read a few things from professionals that have said to think of Congo and China, the long hours and mistreatment of its people putting it together, while using your cell phone.

Also with my science background, I know professionals who only use cell phones for business and after that have nothing to do with it because of the radiation from it.

Here's one chart. 

In the long stretch of history, we can't assume that the planet will remain hospitable to burgeoning masses of people of all faiths and ethnicities, in all areas equally. 

Despite the massive humanitarian tragedy of it all, an awful  lot of the Muslim population is in low-lying areas, such as Indonesia (something like 250 million people there) with 42 million people at risk of drowning in about 30 years. Then there's Bangladesh - highest population density in the world, 168 million people, which sounds like it will be almost uninhabitable in about 20 or 30 years, plus many of the people in the Arabian peninsula and North Africa who will not be in a more habitable place either, with encroaching and worsening desertification on the one hand - and face it, we've been letting Africans die of disaster and famine for generations, and do nothing about it - and rising sea levels on the other.  As awful as it is to contemplate, it seems that many of the world's Muslims are set to receive a disproportionate proportion of climate catastrophe.  And the rest of the world is not set to receive them now, let alone in the next few decades, which means, essentially, a massive passive genocide, maybe hundreds of millions of people, by climate, famine, and neglect.    One new strain if influenza, not caught in time by a new vaccine, and a place with teeming, impoverished people like Bangladesh, will loose many millions by disease as well.  In the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic, 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide, and that was when the world population was much smaller and much less connected.

That leaves those who are in higher and more habitable lands such as Iran and Afghanistan, although I wouldn't call Afghanistan exactly Eden-like.  Then there's those in Europe and the West, where nonMuslims are starting to say "enough is enough" due to the terrorist issue and nonassimilationism and generalized bigotry and tribalism.

Just free associating here, and I do not have god-like ability to predict the future.  I'm just saying, cheer up!  There will probably be massive, unprecedented, horrific humanitarian disaster on the planet, before Muslims outnumber the rest of us!  :-)

So, there are many forces out there, human, local, global, economic, climatic, political, that interact with these trends.  Maybe Muslims in the West or even in the Muslim heartlands will start to question how, if their god is the one and only god, and blesses his people, can they be so cursed.  Then again, a lot of it is cultural and tribalism, and those are noncognitive processes.

I'm not going to worry too much about it.  There's no way to predict, and who knows what will happen?

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