As a result, as I stated before, I do not think you can categorically with 100% certainly prove, not just claim, but prove God does not or cannot exist unless you can argue that no evidence is possible to prove the claim because of the nature of what you are claiming.
I agree with Joel. Nicely done. This is exactly my point. Since God is an oxymoronic concept (see earlier posts), there is an impossibility that any evidence will be forthcoming to prove the existence of such an incoherent being and 100% certainty is proper.
Hi Denis Smith,
How are things?
I notice you have mentioned scientific method and God in the same dialogue. I therefore have a question for you, but before I ask you the question I hope you read the following.
Because you have used black swans in your example I will continue to use them in the following dialogue.
After using scientific method all swans would be classified using scientific classification. Scientific classification, like everything in science, is very flexible and can change according to knowledge. For example 300 years ago there were only 2 kingdoms, animal and plant, but today it can be argued there are 6 kingdoms in biological classification.
An integral part of scientific classification is that the it can incorporate anything new. Lets take swans as an example. It is a good example because swans exist in today's world. If you click on the link you will be able to see the scientific classification of swans. You will notice there are several different species of swan. Even though the Black Swan had not been heard of by many people in Europe until 1790, there was in fact room for the existence of the Black swan in Scientific Classification. If you look at swan fossils they can all be classified scientifically. And if a new swan fossil is discovered tomorrow, it will also be able to be classified scientifically. And if a new living species of swan is discovered tomorrow it too can be classified scientifically. The reason for this is because of the way the scientific community has created scientific classification. Every time a new species of swan comes along, it can be classified scientifically, using the scientific method. And this is the strength of scientific classification in conjunction with scientific method.
To show you the great flexibility of scientific classification, we could even classify unicorns, even though we know they don't exist. My guess would be they belong to the family Equidae. Species Unicornus. We can theoretically classify them because we know what they are supposed to look like.
I hope I have shown you the power, beauty and simplicity of scientific classification.
You mentioned Karl Popper and I would also like to add something else he said:
"unfalsifiable statements are non-scientific".
My question to you is: Are you making the claim that scientific method can be used in regards to God?
The Tooth Fairy is more beleiveable than all this godgobbering jehovah jiving jesus junkie gods muck enduced slaughtering of untold millions since it's invention.
And for what?
An absurd notion of a weird sky man with super powers.
Where is the intelligence in that!!!
The thing that I HATE so much about all godgobbers is that they are supposed to be protected and given respect because of strange political correctness ideas by wowseristic do-gooders and even some so called Atheists.
I call these Atheists, Psuedo Atheists.
Freedom of religion has done nothing but caused untold slaughter on Planet Ours. It is our planet.And our planet has been infected by this cancerous scourge called religion. And let's NEVER EVER forget the never ending sexual abuse of innocent kids that lurks around religion. Especially in the biggest godgobbering cults on Planet Ours, such as the catholic and anglican.
All the screaming protests about them not being cults make me wanna throw up on these claims.The monstrous catholic billion dollar empire has always been and forever will tick all the boxes on what a cult is. And so does all the rest of these groups of super sky man beleivers.
sorry for joining late...
I am 100% certain that no God or Gods as described by any major (or minor) religion has any existence at all. I am 99.9% certain that no supernatural higher power of any kind exists, but if there was something it is unlikely to be anything like any of the descriptions in world religion which almost exclusively (apart from Buddhism??) seem to give "god" certain human attributes (for obvious reasons!).
Physics and nature are more powerful than we are, which would make them higher powers ;-) Do I need to go to church to believe in nature? lol
I suppose it depends on your definition of "God". If you are talking about the all knowing, all caring, and all powerful super being who controls everything... I can say I'm 100% sure there is no such being. If you're just talking about a much more advanced being who started this whole existence off, I'd say there's a small...very, very small chance (don't want to put a number to it).
I always get baffled by the idea of a super being, which is all knowing and all powerful, but wants or need the worship and love of such small and insignificant things such as humans. The ego on that being would be extremely scary!!