I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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TNT666 and George;


The whole point of my post was to distinguish between faith and belief.

I maintained that

"If you drop a brick, you move your toes. That’s belief."


TNT maintains:


"Belief is when you lack evidence to make a reasoned decision but descend to deciding based on emotions."


No, TNT, that’s “faith”.  (and it’s not a good idea, or polite, to yell “Hell no !!!”, especially when you are wrong.)


Belief is assumed as a result of experience, observation, or even the scientific method.  I believe in gravity.  I don’t have to engage faith to know to move my toe when I drop a brick.


George has it right.

The only thing I might add is that when George says:


"Beliefs that lack evidence are simply unjustified beliefs."


he is essentially describing “faith”.

Beliefs that lack evidence are simply unjustified beliefs.  Rational beliefs are justified using rational judgement.  Knowledge is generally defined as those beliefs which are both justified and true.


Using your definitions above, you can justify a negative, but you cannot prove a negative? Am I right?

Maybe! I think that something true is something we have evidence for.

If I drop a brick directly above my foot, I will move my foot because I have certain knowledge that gravity will act on it, or influence its motion, in a manner to bring it towards my foot with an increase in momentum. And I will also move it because I believe that there is not a sniper hidden in the nearby woods to destroy it on its way down.

Could I reword your definition of Faith?


Faith is the belief you reached without evidence.

If you don't mind, I will continue to use belief.

The Dr. pasted that article above. It is the same one. Should I assume that you do not agree with me that you cannot prove a negative?

Just providing the source in case anybody wanted to easily pass it on.


I think the discussion is mostly about how important it is to carefully unpack what seem to be 'simple statements.' I find the thesis a generally useful heuristic and, like most rules of them, there will be situations in which it does not apply. Emerson's quote about 'a foolish consistency' comes to mind.

There is one (correct) answer. Every single time you flip a coin, barring additional variables, it is 50%. If you ask what are the odds, from the beginning, of the coin coming up tails twice in a row, that is different (25%), but each time, the odds are 50%. What the previous coin toss resulted in cannot possible affect what the next one will be, unless the toss isn't randomized by something like a person throwing it up high and spinning.
ego is faith, I like that. The ability to see only I, versus reality! good one :)
It's actually an interesting thought! Only a tremendous ego could possibly think that our perception of being spoken to by some god is "reality". I see it as quite amusing really.

Only a tremendous self could think god is reality?  I believe you are erroneously attaching arbitrary and negative attributes the concept of self. It is the grouping of cells in our heads, locally, that allows for logic and reason to exist and you are saying that the denial of reality is centered around the thing that makes reason and logic possible.


Unless you are talking about some Freudian shit, or a improperly inflated sense of self.


I see my ability to 'run' my causal mental machinery, as an ego, is what makes me strong and human. And that faith, or willful ignorance, has more to do with surrendering one's reasoning mind to emotion, through god, or turning it away from reality.



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