I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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Are you suggesting here that we could possibly learn something new about reality that would allow the supernatural to exist within reality? Or that if we are not omniscient, then anything can happen? So, then A could be B, right?
My convictions are nothing like WLC's.
Nor is my manner of arriving at them.
Hey you claimed to call a spade a spade with that A=A business. Now, it seems as if you don't. I think you are an agnostic atheist, since you are in fact insisting that knowledge of the non-existence of a god is not possible. Put forth a definition of any sort of god that does not entail something inherently nonsensical. Unlikely that evidence of something that you cannot even define without self-contradiction? How about impossible? What's so bad about that? Are you just fundamentally opposed to certainty for skepticism sake? Are you sure A=A? All the time? Without fail? Not just 99.999% of the time? Why doubt what you have no reason to?

What I am 100% against is anything that speaks for the possibility of anything that can be construed as supernatural. 

I am a 100% natural philosophical scientist who allows for zero percentage with regard to the supernatural.

I accept all the proven laws of science, besides which there are likely to be further laws of science as yet unknown. Among them all, lie the answers to understanding the origins--or the endless existence--of the Universe. 

Further to these remarks I applaud that currently known physics, theoretical physics and cosmology with their applicable knowledge of quantum mechanics and fundamental-particle high-energy physics look quite capable of explaining the actuality of an ever-existing Universe.  

Professor Vic Stenger's excellent books summarise. 

I have written before in this thread about these matters--roughly one year ago and two years ago--where I briefly explain (as also in "Origins"). 

Again, you claimed to accept the law of identity. Why are you being so defensive? Grow some skin. I am suggesting what your statements imply. I am not pulling this out of thin air. Why won't you address the fact that any example of any essential aspect of a god will be invalid? I am not calling you a theist. I just think that the law of identity is incompatible with agnostic atheism. I am not creating your skepticism, you are putting down online and I am wondering how you square A=A with the belief that there might be a small possibility that a god, something contradictory or something that cannot be defined can actually be. Will you name one of these gods that don't have contradictory impossible characeristics? I think that anyway you look at it, the possibility of a god can be safely omitted from a proper worldview.
That's good Aaron; you and I really agree that there is 0% chance of some god having set the Universe in motion.
I view the whole world, i.e the Universe, as being wholly natural and devoid of any supernatural influences, and that this is the natural state of things.  
Those others on our Earthbound world who, in their simplicity, want to invent gods are the ones introducing fictions, and therefore they are the ones required to be the bearers of any proof for supernaturalism.  
seems racist and hijacking thing called 'god' is on the minds of many; shux the USA just sent support to Africa against the 'lords army' or some crazed thing... rapists etc.


We don't have to have any awareness of an entity for it to exist otherwise it's existence would be dependent on our thoughts. How many people know that I exist? Does their knowledge or lack of knowledge affect my existence? If someone's knowledge affects my existence, then that means I exist/ed. Or am I thinking about this all wrong?


Philosophy can get really tangled up, backwards, etc. My ideas don't make things true or false. Maybe I made up something in my mind. Maybe the universe IS god. I don't think that would be a meaningful understanding to have personally. If something IS everything, then saying that god is the universe is the same as saying something like this: everything is everything. It doesn't explain anything.


Here's a wonderful Sagan quote: In many cultures, the customary answer is that a God or Gods created the Universe out of nothing. But if we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question, where did God come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God always existed, why not save a step, and conclude that the Universe always existed?

it's impossible to be 100% sure of anything in our crazy mixed up world, but I can say that i'm at least 99% sure

How can you believe or not believe in something that has NO firm definition?

Whenever a believer is challenged with compelling facts or logic or philosophical reasoning etc etc, they will just change the definition of "God"

My Favorite is the "We will NEVER be able to understand the "awesomeness of god's reasoning" stance.

Me I knew it was hooey in 1st grade when I had to leave my favorite class (Art) to trek 6 blocks to listen to nuns tell me stories about their fave superhero,, but they took my Hulk comic book away from me!!





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