I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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Thank you Leveni. 

He's not.  Report him.  I'm about to.

Huseyin, the veracity of the Quran depends, to a degree, upon the veracity of the biblical Old Testament. As this has been shown by modern scholarship & archeology to be mostly mythical it is evident that the Quran also contains myth & legend.

The Quran is reputed to be the work of one man, Mohamed, compiled 20 years after his death in 632 BCE. The oldest datable Quran, the Sana text from Yemen, is dated to 750 BCE. It shows evidence of redaction & is partially at variance with the current version.

Even if the Quran was was the work of one man, as in the case of Epistles of Paul, we have only his word for it. There is no way to verify Mohamed's claim that the angel Gabriel actually spoke to him. Furthermore, we have no scientific evidence for the existence of angels or any other supernatural entity.

Consequently I find even the most sophisticated Islamic apologetics totally unconvincing. As with Christian & Jewish defences of the faith you are using a claim to back up a claim. If you are going to convince me of anything you are going to have to provide scientific evidence to back up your assertions. Good luck with this as nobody has managed to do it so far.

Hi Huseyin,

I'm thinking there must be another version of the Holy Quran that you are keeping hidden from the world, because most of what you have written isn't in the Holy Quran. 

Also I doubt you are from Turkey. You sound like you are from Pakistan or India. Or maybe you are just quoting from a Pakistani or Indian preacher.

Also, Islam prohibits proselytizing. 

(Al-Baqarah 2:256) and  (Al-Kahf 18:29)

If you really are a Muslim, I hope you read these 2 extracts from the Holy Quran and think about them.

Anyway, I don't think you are going to last long here.

Good Bye.

I will tell you what his religion told him, because every body fooled with these peace verses

"They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing." And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever - for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally."

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Have you ever noticed how the religious trolls who come here tend to run on ad nauseum?  No one ever taught them that brevity is the soul of wit, maybe...

These ramblings come from a book called "The Flashes Collection"   By Said Nursi (1877-1960) 

Not that it matters or that I care, just for the sake of openness. 

Hello Leveni, yes you are right, this is a Pakistani person.

I have had plenty of time to hear and read the arguments, most of which are much more coherent and concise than this one. It makes not a bit of difference to me. If you had some way to prove the existence of your god, I would reject him.
According to Dr. V. S. Ramachandran and by looking at the history of Muhammad I think that Muhammad suffer from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy

"Neural basis of religious experience
In a 1997 Society for Neuroscience talk, Ramachandran hypothesized that there may be a neural basis for some religious experiences. He stated that "There may be dedicated neural machinery in the temporal lobes concerned with religion. This may have evolved to impose order and stability on society."Ramachandran described an experiment in which he measured the galvanic skin responses of two subjects who had experienced temporal lobe seizures. Ramachandran measured the subjects' responses to a mixture of religious, sexual and neutral words and images and found that religious words and images elicited an unusually high response. Ramachandran has also discussed his ideas about the neural basis of religion in a number of talks and in Phantoms In The Brain. He cautions that his ideas are tentative, and so far he has not published any research on this subject." Wikipédia

In his lengthy diatribe  Huseyin DENİZ has accused us of, among other things, "delirious raving". As this thread includes anti-theism I will say that most of the "delirious raving" is coming from the authors of these so called holy books & not free thinkers. The Celestial Jesus said this, the angel Gabriel told me that, God/Yahweh/Elohim/Allah is angry about such & such. Give me a break! Only the religious would take the mentally ill at their word.



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