I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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Logically, it was true in the years around 1900 that the universe was static, always been there, and always will be there. Logically possible, but entirely wrong.
Not entirely. The universe, while not static, has always been here and always will. A state of nothingness is not compatible with reason. For 0+0=0 and something cannot come from nothing. Also, a static universe is not logical, unless you mean something else, but the universe is in a continual state of change. Despite what someone might have thought, it has never been logical to have an unchanging universe.

And once again, you confuse logical possibility with widely held (and not-as-yet-informed) opinion. The Ptolemaic universe was never "true", apart from being a reasonable approximation given the data available. There's nothing inherently illogical about either a static or a dynamic universe. Your weird definition of logic is confusing the hell out of you, Cane. Logic does not simply mean "thought experiment" or "axiom" or "uninformed opinion arrived at solely by thinking".


Actually, Michael is correct. The "static universe" idea never made any sense, given the fact that we could always see things moving around. Why should they stay stuck on the same tracks forever?

Fullerenes were predicted before their discovery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene#History.


C-C bonds in diamond do not strike me as planar, though I may not understand the structure properly.


The point is that there is nothing logically contradictory about Fullerenes and our pre-existing knowledge of chemistry. As very large and relatively geometrically simple molecular structures (unlike say, proteins), they would have been considered unlikely, but I fail to understand your assertion that they would have been considered logically impossible. I think you, like Cane, persist in confusing logical impossibility with extreme unlikelihood.


As you say, "simultaneously" is not a good word to use in the context of quantum mechanics (few words are, apparently). But the Copenhagen Interpretation at least seems to suggest that you can get quantum effects to behave like waves or like particles, but not at the same time. It may be entirely a semantic distinction, but I think we could also say that measuring (resolving) a quantum effect forces it to exhibit one or the other behaviors, but not both. Either way, I think my flying car analogy is reasonably apt. I see no logical contradiction in quantum effects, just multiple behaviors. Surprising and weird, but I don't see why they would logically preclude each other.


And logic requires causality. A person's perspective affects that person's understanding, but the logic exists externally to be discovered by anybody. I do not subscribe to the "person creates his own reality" idea.

If you are suggesting that something that has now been verified was actually once impossible, that is crazy!!


Things at the limit of our perception, like EMR, have a nature, they must, but to say that we understand it enough to report knowledge of its nature, other than that it appears to act like a wave when look at it one way and as a particle when we look at it another, is premature, at best.

Do you think Schrodinger's cat is both alive and dead at the same time?

Hey, just because cognition entails the use of a singular limited mind, does not mean that it can't have objective knowledge. Subjective perceptions become objective when conceptualized. That's how this process of logic and abstraction works. It's the objectification of subjective perceptions into concept and then knowledge by use of reason. It matters not from which angle or perspective I see a chair. I can recognize it from a small piece and know what it is. I obtained objective knowledge of chairs' existence when I was very young, still forming basic 1st order concepts. I used logic to do that. The concept of a chair is the same in China.

Canes ideas start at about page 81. 


In the bottom right hand corner, just after the last posting, of this page there is a text box. Type 81 in the text box. Press Go. This will take you to page 81 of this sub-thread and the beginning of Canes thoughts. 


Please read Canes thoughts from page 81. You don't have to read the replies given to him, just read Canes posts. 


After reading Canes posts, please start anew with your posts in this particular sub-thread.


you could continue to ignore everything Canes has written previously.



When people start floating up into the air during a 'rapture', then I may start to believe. Or I see ghosts, whichever comes first.

If I see people start floating up into the air, I would think aliens are abducting people.


Just kidding!!!!! Just trying to be funny.

Hey, they may get the 'pearly gate' treatment. LOL

BTW, I am being funny, I hope. :P

LOL , you are being funny.
99.9% sure. Based on the evidence available that proves gods exists, of course.
99.9% sure. Based on the evidence available that proves gods exists, of course.
There is evidence that attempts to prove God exists?????
Could you share some of this evidence with me please?



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