I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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It is clear and simple enough.

I don't think using few syllables will help. I just don't understand the individual words. Sorry to be such a dunce, but philosophy often just doesn't make sense to me, especially when there are other ways to explain something. For example, how can "noncontradictory identity" prove to me there is no god?

There are rules of logic that exist and are valid. We use these principles, the most notable, in this instance, is the law of identity to perform science, think and communicate. All science depends on existence existing, consciousness being aware of it and of all existents having a particular identity. Were these axioms not valid, science and cognition would not even be.

Noncontradictory identity is necessary for existence. Identity is one of the most basic foundational conditions of existents. And god has no noncontradictory identity. Omnipotence is contradictory (one cannot create a rock that it cannot lift), omniscience is contradictory for similar reasons. It is contradictory to both exist and be supernatural. You cannot reduce any aspect of his being to perceptual evidence. God has no characteristic that affects the causal changing manifesting its identity. And for those who hold out for someone unyet described being that could hypothetically, in a way we don't understand, be god, there is still no identity and hence no existence.

Thanks, I can understand what you said, and I don't mind the extra syllables and words. You make sense. 

Thank you, Joan.

Dr. Meaden, that you find it necessary to say "...I will have none of that inside my head" suggests:

1. its existence, and

2. your feeling at risk of having a bit of it there.

"Physics ... has the potential to explain the rest."

Aside from that's being an article of faith, a few years ago I heard that Stephen Hawking had assigned to the Pope the first very short interval of time after the big bang. Did he do so? If he did, has he retracted it?

The explanation to which the name "big bang" is attached is itself an article of faith, and the claim by some cosmologists that time and space originated with their bang is, and has to be, a fantasy in their minds.

1. I have zero patience for any supposed possibility of the existence of anything supernatural anywhere----just as I have zero belief in the existence of orbiting china teapots, the god pruitt, or pre-13.7 billion year creator gods as being anything other than fictions created by mankind.   

2. What risk? There is no risk at all of any such nonsense being possible.

Physics has  explained everything so far and has the potential to explain anything that gets discovered in the future. That's not faith. It's reality.

Stephen Hawking often said things he did not mean as a tease. If he said it, he certainly does not say it, even jokingly, now. He made it plain earlier this month that he is a 100% atheist. 

As for the Big Bang, it is NOT an article of faith. It has  been a helpful working hypothesis these last 50 years. But scientists always allow that any theory may eventually be replaced by a better one. New scientific discoveries inevitably introduce changes that lead to improvements or even total replacements.   

"There is no risk at all of any such nonsense being possible."

Attaching the signifier "nonsense" to the signified helps.

"Physics has  explained everything so far..."

Dark matter? Dark energy? Allegedly faster-than-light neutrinos? The Higgs?

<Dark matter? Dark energy? Allegedly faster-than-light neutrinos? The Higgs?>

Yes, current problems for the physicists, but like all the other millions of problems that preceded these, we have high confidence that appropriate solutions will develop as more data is gathered.

There's the point: the patient data gathering. Time will tell. 

Two queries, sansdeity:

Do you include the many non-Abrahamic gods?

Does uncertainty exist?

And another, is there empirical evidence for either certainty or uncertainty?

Where is Godel when I need him?

Do you include the many non-Abrahamic gods?

  • yes

Does uncertainty exist?

  • Sure, I'm uncertain when I will die but I'm certain that I will.

Is there empirical evidence for either certainty or uncertainty?

  • Well, I'm certain there is no empirical evidence for the existence of any gods. So if you agree that it is a fact that there is a complete lack of empirical evidence for the existence of any gods, than in this case the profound lack of empirical evidence to support the claim of the existence of a god(s) is empirical evidence for the non-existence of said god(s). Really, in the history of mankind, if the best evidence anyone has for the existence of all powerful gods are books written about them by humans, I'll just say that I'm confident in my 100% certainty that there are no gods.

sansdeity, are you channeling MCT?




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