Thank you, and agreed. Deep down they know.
You're an agnostic. You can't simultaneously hold the beliefs that there exists gods or no gods. It's a contradictory stance.
It's like saying I believe that there exists unicorns or no unicorns. It doesn't really mean anything. Why not just say you believe in anything ever posited and call it a day?
And yes, the idea of god's existence is bat shit insane.
I was referring to his statement, "I do not believe there are no gods or gods."
That sentence means nothing. You can't both believe in gods or no gods. This is of course, separate from knowledge. As far as I know, Dawkins or Bertrand never once said, "I do not believe that there exists no god or gods." That's a confusing statement but when you correct it, it results in: "I believe that there exists a god or gods." which is contradictory to his statement which came before: "I'm an atheist because I simply do not believe in any god or gods."
Please try to keep replies to my comments within the parameters of my comments. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I can't make you misinterpret my words.
Theism and atheism are about belief. Gnosticism and agnosticism are about knowing. Someone who claims knowledge that there are no gods, like myself, is a gnostic atheist. Someone who doesn't believe in gods, but erroneously thinks we cannot ever know, is an agnostic atheist.
But you are gnostic that your socks are of a certain color, right?
I don't necessarily think the gnostic position is stick to a position barring evidence to the contrary.
I personally feel that unicorns do not exist. If one ran through my backyard and stopped long enough for me to ensure that it was not just a horse with a long object glued to it's head or something, I would change my position, but I feel confident in saying that unicorns do not exist.
I feel the same way about gods.
Like I've said before, having to reserve possibilities creates a slippery slope in that anything I utter out of my mouth, you have to make concessions for the possibility that it exists.
For instance: The Garbyglop. I just made that up. It's a globulous creature made up of bacon flavored jello. It has fifty eyes, 300 legs, and two mouths. It's also a god and creator of everything.
I can be gnostic of it's nonexistence. I am gnostic of it's nonexistence. However, someone who is an agnostic atheist, if they are consistent, has to make room for the possibile existence of The Garbyglop. And as much evidence exists for the existence of The Garbyglop as there does for the Christian God.
Both people who don't know and don't think they can know are agnostic. If you cannot claim knowledge about the non-existence of god, and you don't believe in god, you are an agnostic atheist.
"You can't disprove God."
Celestial teapot, mate.
I like Russell's quote and am reposting
Tea cups are possible. Gods are not. I will not say there isn't a tea cup between Earth and Mars. There totally could be. There is probably not, but I don't know. It's different than mysticism.
You never have to prove a negative statement... e.g.--"The moon is not made of cheese." Does not have to be proven.
The positive statement ...e.g.--"The moon is made of green cheese" requires empirical proof before accepted as fact.
"There are no gods" is a statement that does not have to be proven in order to be factually correct.
"There is a god" requires proof before it can be epistemologically correct. Which has yet to be given.
Since there is no proof, there can be no epistemological truth about gods.
""There are no gods" is a statement that does not have to be proven in order to be factually correct."
Actually, it does, you're assuming the burden of proof by framing the negative statement (<-no gods) as a positive claim (there are->).
I have to give this a little practice:
I don't love you.
I don't hate you.
The earth is not 6,000 years old.
Dinosaurs and humans did not walk on earth at the same time.
There is no god.
There was no Jesus.
There was no Noah.
There was no virgin birth.
Jesus was not god's son.
OK, I think I've got it now.