I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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MK, I was responding to your latest comment re evolution and origins.

Now the truth is we don't know why or how everything has come into existance without a designer or some sort of structural procedure that would require inteligence. HOWEVER, what we have a substancially bigger knowledge than the people did that brought to us the believe in a single or multiple gods. So to believe in a god would require us to submit to EXACTLY what the monotheistic religions present to us as truth. You are not talking of "god" if you mention the possibility of a designer or even as some people do a force, because the people who gave us the word god were very clear in what they said he was and what he wasnt. That is the first thing. The second is just because we havent found a scientific prove yet that gives us the explaination of our existance doesnt mean that there has to be a devine hand in our creation! It seems to me that Religious "authorities" have moved from the statement "god is as he is in the bible or whatever scripture" to "god is the potential reason for the big bang or whatever other theories exist" and if several "facts" of the old testament can already be disproven shows that all of it is questional by its very nature. So simply focusing on gaps is not a prove for anything, as science has at least made huge progress andis continuing to do so! So let me conclude, it is even less evident that god can exist compared to the fact that we have disproven "his own words" and that is already evidence enough -that whatever the answer to this question is - can be compared to the archaic and all powerful being described in so many scriptures and teachings

The best candidate for a "structural procedure" requiring no intelligence would be the conservation laws (there are more yet to discover at different levels) that define boundaries and restrictions, e.g., self-assembly at the nano-level is all about conservation law. It's all combination after that.

Like Dawkins, I'm a 6 on the spectrum of theistic probability. The existence of god can't be proven any more than it can be disproven. However, given the astonishing lack of evidence for a god, and the fact that the only thing that the monotheists have are books that were written 2,000 years ago (the Qur'an was completed nearly 1,400 years ago) and by largely illiterate Bronze age shepherds obsessed with blood and racial and ritual purity does nothing to make the case for god. If there is a god, it is likely more that of Spinoza or the like: A deity that brought everything into being but has as much interest in what happens on the surface of our little blue marble as it does in two galaxies colliding.

For me, the question of whether there's a god is immaterial. There is no evidence on either side, with the burden of proof being much higher for the theists than for the non-theists. After all, they have to prove the existence of something that can't be seen or experienced, aside from a "sure feeling that He does" (i.e., subjective). Therefore, I am an agnostic atheist: I don't know if there is a god, but there probability of there being one is extremely low. I'm open to new evidence, but so far nothing convincing has been brought forward. And I grew up fundamentalist so I know all the proofs and the ways of dreaming up "evidence" for god.

If I'm going to waste my time on a fiction, I'm going to waste it on something that's well-written and well-conceived instead of on the literary mess that is the Christian bible.

I won't say 100% because claiming that would make me a bad atheist. I will say that there is a possibility that a god or gods exist. about .0001% rounded up of course. However that probability is for all deities, not just the christian one.

I am 100% certain there is no God, supernatural, or afterlife.  As Bertrand Russell asked, "Where did God come from?"  Any answer creates the question of where the subject of that answer came from and so on resulting in an infinite regress.  To suggest that an eternal, all powerful intelligence has always existed beggars my imagination to the point I have to say that logic is logic and the limitations of my human mind are not here an impediment.  Yes, it makes so much more sense that something has always existed that operates under some logic based set of rules.  That is my inner Occam's razor talking.  


Bravo, Dean. Bravo!!!

This is the point that so many in the opposition refuse to discuss or debate, countering only with a weak semantic trick such as "you can't know the unknowable" as though the insinuation that the topic of the nature of the first cause is beyond human comprehension protects the unknowable from analysis.

Or 'You can't prove a negative'. As if contextual knowledge about me being in Toledo is not sufficient to know that I am not in Miami. The law of identity, that which on all proof resides, is enough to know that god is not possible. We cannot and need not invoke science. Only reason. Not knowing what we don't know is not an open door to mysticism, but an impetus to do more exploring of this causal realm. Anything we find is necessarily not god. And then they play the stolen phoneme game, 'Well, how do you know what god is to me doesn't exist? Nature, or consciousness or physical laws or everything is god.' Yeah, well we have words for those concepts already.

Only reason is required.  The argument of infinite regress trumps any claim that God lies beyond human comprehension and logic.  For example, What created a God beyond human comprehension and logic? 

It could have been Cthulhu! You never know for certain! Cthulhu and modern theoretical particle physics trump reason!! Have you ever heard of what these new scientists, that publish papers at universities, are finding in their particle accelerators? It's called quantum de-coherence and non-locality! And it means that god could exist for sure, but we cannot prove it so, I guess I don't know, but I do know that you don't know, of that I am sure, that you can't be sure, for certain. I'm positive!

I do not think that quantum de-coherence and non-locality say any thing about or agianst the existence and nature of God unless God is a quantum phenomena, in which case it wouldn't really be God.




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