I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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I'm sure there is no God to the same degree I am sure there is no tooth-fairy. So I am 100% sure.

Comparing it to being sure there is no tooth-fairy is a good way to express it.

The expression that I like most is that I'm sure there is no God to the same degree I am sure my refrigerator does not fly around my kitchen at night while I'm asleep.

Brilliant. Now I'm going to have buy a nanny cam to make sure my fridge isn't cavorting around my apartment while I sleep.

I am 100% sure. Better yet, I know that if I'm wrong, and there is some truth to some kind of omnipresent intelligence, I am 100% certain that it won't give two shits about whether I believed or didn't believe that it exists. It makes zero effort to demonstrate it exists, in fact all indications are that it couldn't possibly exist. It's impossible that it cares at all what humans think about it. There simply is no negative personal consequence to not believing in a god concept.

Very well put Future.  I've not heard it expressed that way before, and I agree with you.

Technically omnipresent intelligence is impossible.. Especially when not everything in existence has "intelligence". It's self-refuting, and would effectively be calling existence itself "GOD" by consequence. That would make us all GOD. O.o

This makes good sense:

I used to say 99 percent, and I am all for being open minded, however it is the consequence of the paradox that has brought me that one .01% further. At some point you reach a logical conclusion, an absolute due to consequence or due to problem of definition..This is the point where you can't take the concept any further intellectually, conceptually, philosophically, or scientifically.. And that is the consequence of the paradox.. Hence I can't fix that no matter how open minded I am as it literally is the furthest the goal posts can be moved on either end of the field.

How can we account for the transformation?

Open minded instead of right minded and next metaphor?


I suppose this is different for everybody, but for me anyway, if I had to pick one thing that I gained going from theism to atheism it would be learning to know when I don't know something.

So for me asserting that I know for certain that we are not living in a matrix w god as t programer, or knowing that I know a hiding god does not exist would largly be defeating t entire point of learning not to assert things for which thete is insufficient evidence.

Now that you bring it up, I think I would have to put myself in the 99.9% category. A proof that god doesn't exist is probably just as impossible as a proof that she does. If the .01% turned out somehow to be correct, (and really that's something we could never know) my take is it would have to be some sort of pantheism wherein the entire physical universe, including all of us, is god's body. If there is some sort of god (and I AM 100% sure it's not the great freudian daddy in the sky, looking like an aging Republican, sitting there with his adding machine to see how much we all contribute on Sunday morning.) the universe is something she IS, not something she MADE for us to trash. Agnostic v. atheist - whatever label is applied doesn't really matter. What matters is we don't fall for the fairy tales. And whatever is or isn't out there sure as hell didn't write a book!

You sly dog  Bertold.......I noticed  you referred to God as She......Very  ingenious....No one can prove  that God  is not a she.....or Black   for that mater.....Let the Theists  chew  on that!!!!!



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