I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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Thanks for your cander. I apologize for accusing you of something that you didn't do.

 

Leveni said; "I asked you before to give me a real life example of 'a negative that can not be proven'. You have not provided me with one. If you provide me with one, we can go from there."

I suggest that you can never say that there is no extraterrestrials during the time there is the question of whether there are extraterrestrials.

 

Leveni said; "it is my understanding that you have a philosophical mindset."

I hate philosophy, so I find it hard to believe I have a philosophical mindset. But I could be wrong.

 

Leveni said; "I am an atheist because there is no God. A provable fact. Albeit, an unscientific provable fact."

 

I think we are in agreement. Have you read my post that says;"

If you ask me what I know about whether there is a God, I would have to say I can be 99.9999% sure. If you ask me if I believe there is a God, I would say I 100% believe there is no God. 

If you are honest with yourself, and you ask yourself whether you know, according to science you can never really know with 100% certainty because you require evidence and you cannot prove a negative.

But if you ask yourself whether you believe there is a God or not, you can reach 100% because believing requires no evidence."

 

I think all that mumbo jumbo I said above can be whittled down to "believing requires no evidence." And I think belief is a religious endeavour.

Thanks for your cander. I apologize for accusing you of something that you didn't do.

 

Leveni said; "I asked you before to give me a real life example of 'a negative that can not be proven'. You have not provided me with one. If you provide me with one, we can go from there."

I suggest that you can never say that there is no extraterrestrials during the time there is the question of whether there are extraterrestrials.

 

Leveni said; "it is my understanding that you have a philosophical mindset."

I hate philosophy, so I find it hard to believe I have a philosophical mindset. But I could be wrong.

 

Leveni said; "I am an atheist because there is no God. A provable fact. Albeit, an unscientific provable fact."

 

I think we are in agreement. Have you read my post that says;"

If you ask me what I know about whether there is a God, I would have to say I can be 99.9999% sure. If you ask me if I believe there is a God, I would say I 100% believe there is no God. 

If you are honest with yourself, and you ask yourself whether you know, according to science you can never really know with 100% certainty because you require evidence and you cannot prove a negative.

But if you ask yourself whether you believe there is a God or not, you can reach 100% because believing requires no evidence."

 

I think all that mumbo jumbo I said above can be whittled down to "believing requires no evidence." And I think belief is a religious endeavour.

I'm no more positive about there being no god than I am about there being no teapot circling the earth, but I'll believe in neither.

 

This thread has gotten WAY complicated. But here's my simple-minded take on it. I don't believe in unicorns, because I have never seen or heard any convincing evidence that they exist. Likewise, I don't believe in any of the gods that humanity has presented, because I don't see any convincing evidence otherwise. But if I DID see convincing evidence that James Randi and his staff couldn't prove was a fakery, then I might change my mind. It would probably take more than one event. And I notice that no one has ever claimed Randi's prize.

So while I'm 100% convinced that none of the gods posited by humanity exist on the basis of the stories told about them, I cannot say that I'm 100% convinced that there is nothing beyond my feeble ability to understand. It all depends on your definition!

This would be my dot ohh two.  I cannot be 100% sure that there is no god.  I actually think that we cannot be 100% sure of anything.  I can say with some certainty however that no evidence exists that points toward any cosmic creator.  There is one sort of shaky book that relies on itself over and over to implore that there is some omniscient god that directs all of this but that is one source and is not corroborated by anything else.  In most circles that is a problem but not for those of faith.  The real problem here is (IMHO) not with religion but with faith in general.  If people think that "having faith" empowers them then we have a difficult road ahead.  Faith, I believe is surrendering responsibility to a magic man about whom you can say "works in mysterious ways" when things don't go your way but when your "ship comes in" you can praise him...  I'm sorry what did you say?  It sounds eerily like you have no personal responsibility.  I mean if god mandates that I am to fail chemistry who am I to argue with him.... Where does it end?  It ends with you praising god for a potato when you could get a job and earn a steak.  It makes me sad to think that people somehow put religion above astrology or psychic readings.  They are all very much the same person wrapped in different clothes.

Cane,

Knowledge that god doesn't exist does not come from science. It comes from reason, which science depends on. You do not need science to know that 2+2=4 or that leaves cannot burn and freeze at the same time. But you need to know these things to do science. You do not require evidence that something impossible doesn't exist to know that it cannot exist.

This is what I understand from your posts: Humans have faculties that make the pursuit of science possible. And using those faculties can give valid knowledge without invoking science. In everyday life, we cannot make an experiment for every "god blessed thing" that happens or exists, but we can reason what is true and what is false. 

 

My fear (unscientific as that is) is that using those faculties for other than science leads to knowledge gained that could be false, but how could we prove it? Reason does not prove or disprove. It merely accepts or not according to a set of rules. And those rules (as far as I know) are not self correcting.

For a millennia and a half or more, philosophy was the only tool against religion. Then science came. I contend that science is a much better tool than philosophy against religion. The Library of Alexandria was not saved by philosophy, but science has changed the world. So do not over-inflate your ego, or the importance of philosophy.

 

Ignorance is bliss, but so is being right.

Science depends on basic philosophical principles. One's that dictate that god is impossible.
What are those principles? I am ignorant, educate me if you will.

I am going to assume that the document that the link above points to is adequate to explain what a philosophical principle is (that is, what is the definition of philosophical principle). Also it lists a number of principles that are very interesting, but what really caught my attention was the definition of philosophical principle quoted here: "...[philosophical principle] is a rule of procedure that specifies a modis operandi, a way of proceeding in the course of philosophizing."

 

These modis operandi are logical, true in a certain fashion, but I do not see the one that dictates the god is impossible.

In the document above, there is a principle listed that goes like this: "The Impossible Is Never To Be Required"

It is a sound principle, but does it dictate that god is impossible? Not by itself. Since I do not want to teach myself philosophy in 30 minutes, can you help me with a list of principles you are talking about?

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