I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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I admit that I had no idea that there was an argument happening... ROFL.  I suppose that the philosophical arguments being presented have surpassed my bank of accumulated knowledge to such a degree that I cannot follow.  I have not personally thought about the things being argued about in this post.  Now I will take exception to TNT666 when he is talking about "pro sports watchers" and factory workers.  Making generalizations like that is not helpful and I would also like to know where 80% comes from?  Is this your gut feel?  How do you "know" that 4 out of 5 people make "no effort"?  If you think that working in a factory requires only heavy lifting then you have probably never worked in one.  
I do agree with you on one point, I love scientists but philosophers tend to irritate me because mostly they just keep arguing deeper and deeper into a concept until it is unrecognizable and then when you are scratching your head they just claim victory, stick their nose in the air and walk off to the next unsuspecting factory worker.  Cheers 

I have had similar experiences with philosophers.

To change the subject, can you or anyone else answer this question:

How do you define the word religion?

Brushing off my knowlege of Latin, religion (re-legio) means a "re-linking"... connecting us to our origins.  Of course Latin is a dead language as is the case of religion...a dead end....leading us to an omnipotent  God in which I am 100% certain I have no faith exists at all.
im 100% sure there is no god. i will reemain 100% sure until im presented with testable measureable proof that it exists
Testable proof of god is oxymoronic.
I'll toast to that... might be indeed my new response to many godly conversations. I was already using oxymoronic for freedom of religion conversations, but it certainly applies even better here.
cant help you, im an oxymoron.  um atheist pastor....cant help it, its my RL name
god fearing people will constantly move the definition of god to ensure his non-un-provability, there will never be that kind of evidence, it is impossible by definition.

@Michael Tricoci:  Testable proof of god is oxymoronic.

That depends on how you define god?  Many people simply define god as being untestable by usual verifiable means.

You contradict yourself George. If it is defined as untestable (by reason and logic, for there is no other valid process of testing), then it cannot exist. God, by any and all definitions/descriptions, is either not able to be defined or magic/supernatural, neither of which can be tested, proved or witnessed. If you invoke the concept of god, you are saying that it isn't real; it isn't testable; it lacks concrete identity; it is supernatural, spiritual, impossible, imaginary, contradictory. One essential aspect of god's identity is that there isn't one. Let me make it as simple as it can get: God is oxymoronic, and by definition, cannot exist.

I don't see any contradiction in what I said.  Some people define it as untestable, others do not.

If someone comes up with a test for god, fine, bring it on; obviously I doubt anything will result of it, but I don't see how god is untestable by all definitions.

God has as its most essential characteristic contradiction. Contradictions cannot exist and therefore cannot be verified. Something with a non-verifiable identity cannot exist. You may ask again and again what if someone defines it differently, but you will come up short every time. If you are not talking about a creator, about omnipotence, omniscience, miracles, spirits, magic, heaven, hell or the soul, then you are not talking about a god. If you have some additional characteristic you would like to put forth, then do it and if it is concrete, then it may be real and I bet we already have a term for it. God is already defined as impossible. Mystics and skeptics alike seem to be blind to this.



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