I wanted to put this question out there to see how strongly everyone feels on this subject. Being that most of us trust in scientific fact and reasoning, I was wondering if everyone is absolutely, undeniably, 100% sure that a god doesn't exist.  I personally take into account that there is no proof of any cosmic creator so therefore I am about 99.9999% sure that there is no god. However we all agree that science is an ever evolving field and I don't think that there will ever be any proof to support the existence of a supreme being, but I can't be 100% sure until there is concrete proof against one. I would like to know what all of your thoughts on this.  

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How do you test whether something is impossible? By definition? Here is what I have to say about definition:

I tried explaining this to you earlier. Our brains are pattern recognition machines that group perceptions into concepts based on the laws of causality and noncontradiction. Integrating these concepts by reason and logic is the only path to knowledge, which is both contextually and hierarchically valid (if it is knowledge). Things do only what is in their nature to do based on their structure and momentum. There is no way around this. Your favorite thing in the world, science, is dependent on this. So, when asked to test if a concept is possible, I would attempt to integrate it into my knowledge base. But even before I can come up with an hypothesis to test empirically, I come across the very simple idea that the concept of god does not integrate without contradiction. In fact, it very plainly and obviously does not. You cannot test empirically what has no empiric nature. Any possible definition of god includes supernatural acausal contradictory qualities. For something to be perceived, conceived and integrated or told about and reduced to perceptual evidence, it would have to be causal, have particular limited qualities, for one, and two, it cannot have logically contradictory qualities, since I know that the causal nature of reality is necessary for concept formation from identity to begin with.

 

A definition is simply the phoneme we give to denote a particular concept. Valid concepts are ones with concrete plausible characteristics. Invalid concepts, which cannot exist, are ones without. A proper definition includes only essentials.

I appreciate your effort to educate me, but here is what my feeble understanding of your words comes out to be. It is an analogy. We humans have hands and the only way to truly dig is to use our hands, but using a tool like a shovel now that's good and all, but it is not the essence of digging.

Do you understand my analogy? Your study of how people perceive and how they form concepts should be and is a scientific endeavour. This tool we call science has something to say about everything in existence, including how us animals form concepts.

 

Our five senses are our only way of interacting with the world. What our senses deliver to our brains is used by our brains to form ideas, concepts, and feelings about those ideas and concepts. 

 

Can our 5 senses be augmented for better perception? If we end up with better perception, would not that mean our concepts are better formed? Does the formation of those concepts depend on "laws" (rules imposed by humans without the improved perceptions)? 

 

I agree that the laws and rules of logic and philosophy are useful, but I do not believe that they by themselves can prove or disprove anything. I think that they can only affect the belief of whether something is true or not. And the belief of something is a religious endeavour.

 

mohammad???? what are you doin there??
I'm 100,000 % sure and I'm 99.9 % sure you'll learn from this:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Meliss
Thank you sir (or mam). I learned a great deal. The worst thing I learned is that people can erase what happened in the past at will thereby not having to learn from the past.
hmm... she was raised secular and "found god" in her early teens. Makes me wonder.
thanks, it was very interesting
I am absolutely positive that the ridiculous, morally-challenged God depicted in the bible does not exist, for the same reason that I am sure that Santa Claus and Cthulhu are not real. God, Thor, Zeus, Allah, etc.,...all made-up by self-important humans with the preposterous idea that our tiny little planet on the outskirts of a run-of-the-mill galaxy of among billions of others is somehow the reason for it all.
I agree

@August Heim: Could you be more specific about vitriol?  There's plenty of disagreement, but I don't really see much in the way of vitriolic comments. 

(of course there are over 90 pages and I haven't read them all)

Also what does carbon nanotubes to the moon have to do with anything?

He is referring to the theoretical , but reachable scientific goal of a space elevator using carbon nanotubes to make up the tether the elevator would climb. I think, but do not know, that his contentions are that science as well as religion is fanciful.

@ August Heim: I disagree with you when you degrade science. You are not being accurate. What is your goal with such a vitriolic statement? 

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