Hope and Change my ass, right?
  With the most recent news on Obama's concession to republican demands [its political terrorism if you ask me] I ask you this; Is it time to simply stop hoping?  The Right[wrong] are only emboldened, and I can't stand to listen to the idiocy of their reasoning when perpetrating their agenda.  I'm getting sick of it, and it seems like Obama's losing his balls~ don't get me wrong, I understand he's in a tough spot, but shit, there's got to be a better way to go about this.  Your thoughts?

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The political strategy has been all over the god damned place. I would have loved to see the Republicans have to defend what they've now accomplished back when it mattered what public opinion was.

Now it doesn't matter because a) Obama capitulated, b) the next election isn't for two years and people have short memories, c) people have convinced themselves that money for spending comes from drowned unicorns while money for tax cuts from a bottomless well of cash.
There's no talk about it reducing the deficit because it won't reduce the deficit. Even in theory the concept of supply side economics doesn't make sense. Virtually all of classical economics talks about the dynamics of supply in response to shifting demand. Even super conservative economists are arguing against more tax cuts in general much more against the ones that will do next to nothing.

(Bah, whatever.)
More likely the money would be spent on something else -- like increasing tax cuts for the people likely to spend it or infrastructure spending. That would be a much better use than paying down the debt.

Raising deficits and debt is generally bad, but paying down the debt isn't all thats super good. That is, there's good reason to not increase debt but there aren't too many to pay it down (except maybe to show good faith in being able to take on more debt later). It's complicated. I'll explain if you want, but only if you want.

Basically countries and people play by two different rules.
This discussion gives me some hope. Sometimes I feel like I'm way out there, in being an early Obama supporter who feels like the President sold out his base, by being so cautious not to offend the Right, in order to preserve his chance for a 2nd term, that he's destroyed his chance for a 2nd term and accomplished very little in the process.

Here's the link to that NY times article by the way.

Unless he has a genius strategy for winning the next election without the supporters who won him his last one, he's sunk. He won the last one while going against the conventional wisdom, with an army of idealistic, dedicated, tech savvy liberal young people riding high on the concept of change and hope. That phenominal energy overcame the knowledge that he was basically Hillary without her baggage and with the very hopeful message of ending, or greatly reducing, racism in America. Now that base is disillusioned, the economy stinks, the war drags on and on. He lost credibility with some of his gay base before the election ended, when he waffled on Measure 8; then had Rick Warren as his keynote speaker for the inauguration, and could not pull off ending DADT even though many conservatives want to see it end.

His disillusioned supporters wont be so excited next time with a theme of "I don't care about you and I can't accomplish anything but do you really want THEM to be in office?"

Obama better have something up his sleeve. The next election could still result in President Palin.
I fell into the same trap of being content with Obama early on. I kept telling myself that this was all part of some bigger strategy. He's doing this early olive branch to maybe bring them along later on. He's making small concessions now to get big concessions later.

Then he kept making concessions and bigger concessions and then he told us to trust him and his supporters, myself included, told early nay-sayers to quit whining. We said he knew what he was doing and that we just couldn't see the workings. Religious levels of faith in his ability.

Now it's becoming clear that he either doesn't know how to be President or doesn't care about his base.
I suspect both. It's sad.
Forget the trouble he's going to have with the undecideds. He has to get his base to back him again.
Holy shit, you're right! It is like a religious faith that people have had in him for so long, trusting against their own instincts that he had a grand plan or something.
Exactly how I feel. I guess a President has to have a big BS plan that has a visceral effect on the masses (DACs) in order to get something done. Unfortunately, Obama is just too damned honest and responsible.
Personally, I'm getting to the point where I want the USA to fail. Just let it all crash and hope that the EU and the East manage things better - they can hardly do a worse job than the US has done (well, maybe not China, except environmentally). I'm just about ready to jump ship and move to Europe. Maybe I'd feel more positive if I lived in a more liberal area, but the people here are just bonkers when it comes to politics. You can't reason with them because their economics are so intertwined with their religious views, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

The USA needed to start changing a long time ago, and at this point I just don't think there's any way to get things going. Maybe the USA will change if there's some sort of intense shock like a major economic collapse or environmental fallout so terrible that it affects heartland Americans every single day in obvious, unmistakable ways, but I don't think we'll see change until something that extreme happens.

Hell, even if that did happen, most of the people I know IRL would just conclude that it's the "end times" and they'd go on destroying the planet like they had been.
I am actually hoping the Bush tax cuts are extended so, those people who are pushing them now will have to explain why we are in a even bigger shit hole then we were.


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