This is an excerpt from the Rude Pundit's blog today:
In the wake of terrible things happening to us, to our own, our impulse is to fuck shit up. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, you could have made a pretty good argument to level the mountains of Tora-Bora and declare it a radioactive graveyard. Now, after the second goddamned public murder of an American journalist by the worthless goatfuckers of the Islamic State, the drumbeat for war, war, war in Iraq and Syria will get deafening. The battle cries of the oh-so-brave politicians and commentators have been yelped over the editorial pages and on the fetid air of right-wing radio and TV. Which is just what ISIS wants.
Down in hell, Osama bin Laden must be slapping his head, thinking, "Holy shit, did these fuckers learn nothing from me wrecking their economy and breaking their foreign policy into a thousand pieces?" The urge to burn it all down is strong. But unless you kill them all - and that means every family member, every ally, every sympathizer far and wide - all you're doing is making them stronger. Martyrs want their martyrdom.
War is their game. You wanna play their game again? For chrissake, the cockmonger who beheaded Steven Sotloff taunted, "I'm back, Obama." It's almost patriotic to want to see that guy forced to eat his own intestines until he chokes or bleeds to death. Obama is taking it slow, not because he doesn't care or doesn't know or is incompetent or whatever else people on the left and right have been hurling at the White House. It's because that's what you do when you give a fuck about the consequences of your actions. We have hurtled ourselves into the void before. And we ended up here.
The entire posting is here: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
I am hoping the delayed response is the result of thoughtful deliberation.
Many people are screaming for revenge. I'm sure there are plenty of journalists wondering when they picked up so many friends.
My hope is the President coolly identifies a reasonable goal and a less than barbaric method of achieving it. While world peace is an unreasonable goal, so is killing everything that moves.
I am not opposed to an extremely strong response as long as it produces positive result, not just more animosity in the middle east.
Maybe the delay is a way of showing the world that we're not their policeman and that our ability to fix everything is limited. We're getting tired of being spit on by those we are trying to help. If they won't help us, we'll let them help themselves. Moderate muslims need to understand they cannot be bystanders. Those who promote radical islam must understand they do not necessarily control what they unleash.
I tripped over two articles that help to understand both why this is a mess demanding a fix and also why it may not be our job. Of course, besides being potentially, fundamantally wrong, they're by the same author so there is the risk of bias.
Personally, I think the key to mideast peace lies in getting off oil. They can't sell sand.
Very well said Greg............I do believe Obama is taking pains to be deliberate in his response unlike GWB.......I agree, we should not be the only policeman of the world.....The Europeans and moderate Arab states need to step up, we will always have their back....I do feel though that ISIS/ISIL has to be hit hard, that may be the only way to get their attention...otherwise they will eventually control most of the Middle East......
You are so correct here, Freethinker. They have to be hit hard and hit soon. In 2 months they might be here in America for something worse than 9/11 ever was. We need to wake up, stop dragging our feet, and forget political correctness. Arab leaders are even warning us to do something. Most of them do not like this group either. I would advise sending a big fleet of ships over to that area, and we would keep our fleet well supplied while our fighter planes launch never ending air strikes on these bastards.Encourage the Europeans to do the same and help us in this matter. Bolster the forces inside Iraq to take over and wipe them out once we get them on the run. In a united effort we can achieve this.
agree, well said Greg. i also think it's important to get regional countries involved. who knows maybe we'll even make some new friends? it would be nice if this new "coalition of the willing" looks a bit browner than the last one.
unlike Michael (whom i normally agree with ) i'm no t that concerned with ISIS hitting us here. haven't there been hundreds of thousands of America hating Muslims who would have just loved to attack America since 9/11? yet that hasn't happened. it seems we're actually pretty good at keeping our citizens safe. we have people who are paid to worry about this stuff happening and i'm happy to let them do it.
I think the key to mideast peace lies in getting off oil
I suspect as much myself, and that's one reason why I support regulated fracking in the USA, as well as more nuclear power plants here. Both of those things are bogeys, and both are far overestimated as bogeys - and many people discount or ignore the benefits.
Both of those things have the potential to reduce our need for oil. Maybe it would save the world from a nuclear war if we can get out of the Middle East, if we stop needing to wage wars there, if we stop pouring money into the hands of terrorists when we buy gas.
Every energy source has environmental risks. With fracking and nuclear power, those environmental risks are nearby us and visible. Many people don't like that.
The USA, being a big powerful country, has had the privilege of decreasing our local environmental risks from energy generation in stupid ways: by getting our energy from foreign countries, waging war as necessary to keep control over those foreign energy supplies.
With nuclear proliferation, that isn't just stupid. It's VERY VERY stupid.
Maybe the delay is a way of showing the world that we're not their policeman and that our ability to fix everything is limited.
Seems to be a duplicitous argument when you're spending MORE on military presence around the world than the majority of other nations combined.
Obama appears to be paralyzed. In Syria (as in other places --Ukraine, Gaza) he talks tough sort of at the beginning then cluelessly stands by as developments go against is pronouncements. It's ok to stand back, but never, ever, make threats (as Obama did) that you're not ready to act on.
It's OK not to be the world's policeman (I agree with Rand Paul on that), pull back the military and use it specifically to defend the US. but both Dems and Repubs scream bloody murder about that suggestion.
I was in one war (Korea) and I don't want Obama or Congress to order more young Americans to die or be maimed because ISIS sadistically murders journalists who chose to go into danger.
There is a World Court for war criminals, even if some of them (I'm thinking of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company) do escape justice.
I agree with you 100% on that. In a just world, the three of them would be on trial for murder of every man, woman and child killed in Iraq during that war.
I commend you for your valiant service in Korea, Tom....but I have to disagree...You are aware that many citizens from the West are volunteering for the jihad sponsored by ISIS/ISIL....They have passports back to the West and could present a huge disaster for Europe as well as the US.....This group is unlike any other we have had to deal with.......The sooner the West comes up with a plan and implements it so that ISIS/ISIL is dismembered, the better it will be for all....NO one likes WAR....Obviously GWB failed to understand the consequences....However this time, thanks to him, War may be an imperative....I wonder if he is sleeping well these days.
Gee, I was a kid when I last used that term. Was it one word or two?
I'll check the Urban Dictionary.
It's there. One word, two words, and two words hyphenated.
GOP to Obama: Please Go to War So We Can Stop Looking Like Assholes
Another take by the Rude Pundit:
Content warning: he uses almost all of George Carlin's nasty words regularly.
Following up on my last posting here, I read this morning that Dick Cheney had a chat with House Republicans
With war in Iraq suddenly back in style, Dick Cheney met with House Republicans on Tuesday to bash President Obama’s foreign policy and stump for more defense spending.
Cheney’s visit marked a sort of coming out party for Republican hawks, who polls show are rapidly gaining support among GOP voters after years in which the non-interventionists, led by Cheney nemesis Rand Paul, had the momentum.
Here’s the clincher, visionary leadership at its best:
“It’s an election year. A lot of Democrats don’t know how it would play in their party, and Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.”
--Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Georgia
Can you spell s-l-i-m-e?