At school today, there were a bunch of different stands "educating people" about differing subjects, one was Islam. It said on the banner that it "Liberates" women. Next to it, there was a woman wearing a head piece that showed nothing but her eyes. What are some quotes that you know that show this is true or untrue.

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A free society is one in which the government serves the people, not the other way around. We allow the government to dictate what we can do and how we can live our lives at our peril.

Islam may well have been an improvement over the previous tribal culture but I maintain that there is no justification for proclaiming that Islam has the power to liberate anyone in a free society from anything.
I greatly appreciate you for saying that, Tom - san.


The reason I think it can is because of the porn industy and how when you watch television there are naked women advertising everything from music to tampons men too. ( not so much tampons but soap )

My good friend who is a german woman and I were sitting at a bar drinking and talking about religion. She said and I quote " I have a problem with any religion that is afraid of the vagina"
I totaly see where you are all comming from but we aint sitting at a bar face to face this is a real live discussion and we can afford to be brutally honest about the implications of a society with no morals or christian morals ffs. We are going down the tubes as a society as far as I am aware.
I am beginning to see your point but to clearify why is it that its not able to? Because there are so many other healthy alternatives that people could also choose for themselves? if thats the case then the 2 would be seperate and Islam regardless of how we all feel about it actualy is capable of liberating women and men.
I'll take my answer off the air.

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"The reason I think it can is because of the porn industy and how when you watch television there are naked women advertising everything from music to tampons men too."

I like looking at attractive females, especially when they're naked, and I'm not ashamed to admit that. Being aroused by the opposite sex is fundamentally natural. I do not believe this gives me the right to take advantage of any female though. Any system of belief or law which determines that it is the obligation of one person (e.g., a female) to behave in a certain way to prevent another person (e.g., a man) from being tempted to commit a crime is unjust. We are all responsible for our own actions regardless of the actions of others.

For the record, I have no issues with someone more knowledgeable calling me out on my ignorance of Islam or correcting me if I misrepresent a particular aspect of the ideology. I welcome it in fact.
I suggest that far more young people have developed mental illnesses as a result of being taught that sex is contemptible and unnatural than as a result of seeing adults having sex. I have no evidence at hand to back this up though so it's just a guess.

"There is no question that Islam liberates women and men by definition of the word."

I would appreciate you clarifying what you mean by this. I still haven't heard precisely how Islam liberates women and my ignorance of Islam is likely the reason I don't already know.
Regardless of how you feel about porn I know for a fact that its an unhealthy practice. We know that young adults develop mental illness as a result of early exposure to it.

If you could direct me to some links/studies that back this up, I would appreciate it.
I know for a fact that its an unhealthy practice. We know that young adults develop mental illness as a result of early exposure to it. Its a fact

Do you have any research results that back that claim?
Because I believe the claim is nonsence.
its called search tool.

Don't patronize me, Nabil. You made an assertion, I asked you to back it up with proof.
So if a young adult watches porn is unhealthy? Can you especify and cand u explain what are the downs of porn and what does it do that makes it unhealthy.Is it a psycological thing or physical.
The reason I think it can is because of the porn industy and how when you watch television there are naked women advertising everything from music to tampons men too. ( not so much tampons but soap )

Where do you live that there are naked women used in advertising? I haven't had access to regular US TV programming for a year now (no TV, act of Zeus), so I could be out of touch.
its called search tool.
Our government doesn't have "morality police" that check whether women are showing their faces too much or are too tan, whether men's beards are long enough and whether women are escorted by a male. Our legal system doesn't allow women's inheritance to be half a man's or allow a man to divorce his wife simply by saying "I divorce you" three times. Our government doesn't cut off people's hands or stone people to death for adultery, homosexuality, or apostasy. One reason that people may be "liberated" from "chemical dependency" (and also from enjoying a drink at all, out of their own free will) is because some Islamic governments give people public lashings for drinking alcohol. By the way many of these things are directly related to Sharia law. I was never very patriotic but in learning about things like this I am damn grateful I live under the government that I do.
She is always known by her father’s name, as a mark of her own identity.

Some would say that this is still a mark of male lineage, rather than a mark of her own identity. Patrilineal descent never made sense to me. Now that I know a bare minimum about genetics, I'm not sure how one would mark both matrilinial and patrilinial lines. The extended hyphenated names could pile up quickly into a mountain that could not be moved.

Amazing in the US women change their name to the husband's name this aint the case in Islam.

Yes, this is ridiculous. It becomes hard to track down old friends who have moved a time or three. Someone who wanted to make the work of future genealogists easier, who listed their many married names on their gravestone, would run out of space.

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