tltle says it all, i decided to put the subject here because in todays world first impressions can be a deal breaker and people now seem to come to conclussions way too quickly for there own good, it seems to many people don't take the time and simply don't have the interest to ask "yah? well is it what it sounds like? what do they believe? so why is it called? well whats this about than? so if your a part of a atheistic religion (religion i mean as in way of life) group etc that for some reason or another is not understood well even in the atheist community put what it is and what it's about or if your interested in other peoples way of life and mind set please reply and add to this discussion
me personally im an Laveyan Athesist and im hoping none of you all got any wrong opinions of us due to some retard just looking to be called a satanist and if you do have a wrong oppression than i guess thats what im here for in this case
I have a big problem with the idea of adhering to philosophies in general. Slapping yourself with a label makes people automatically think that you've checked the "Agree with All" button on the basics of that philosophy ... particularly with a religious-sounding philosophy, since that's what people do (or at least claim to do) with their religious beliefs.
... never mind the fact that most people ignore the bulk of the creed and beliefs of their chosen religion.
The most I'll say on the subject is that I agree with most of the tenets of Secular Humanism, as much as I've looked into the subject.
At first glance, Laveyan Satanism reminds me of the Band Black Sabbath, and on second impression, I am reminded of a girl I talked to online and met once - I quit talking ot her because she is unreliable and doesn't keep good track of time, but she also said she followed wicca and invited me to her home even though we barely knew each other, in addition she told me some fake stories as if she was being serious... and she called me at 9pm once and said her friend's car broke down and she wanted me to drive to her home and then she wanted us both to drive to her friend, on the side of the road in a low class neighborhood in my town... don't make people think you meshuga like this girl...
The thing is, I don't see the problem with having a worldview or a set of personal maxiums. But when you give your worldview an official name - especially a name that reminds people of christianity or European superstitions - and treat it like a religion, then that is either too silly for me or scary if you that serious about your laveyan Satanism worldview. If I think about it I could tell you my personal maxiums and the types of philosophy I most believe in, but I don't say that my religion is, for example objectivism or small government conservatism. To be frank, I say drop the laveyan Satanism label and find some fun hobbies or activity you like - I am on a bowling league but I don't say that bowling is my religion.
I find LaVeyan Atheists / Satanists to be a little on the silly side. It truly appears to be purely for shock value. The use of the Christian devil as the symbol adds to that effect. Sure, you say that you do not care about what others think of you - so why be intentionally antagonistic? All of the Satanists that I have known are all former Christians rebelling against their upbringing. I have not met a single one who grew up in a non-religious family.
Adhering to the philosophies of a writer like Anton LaVey is just one step removed from religion. I do not understand the need for this structure, the titles, or the bizarre imagery.
I also find that this philosophy only serves to degrade the general populations of atheists in the minds of theists. The theists fear atheists enough as it is, and many think that we are victims/worshipers of their devil. While this is certainly not true, baiting them with the use of the Satanic images does little to quell their fears.
My opinions on LaVeyan Satanism itself (imagery and obvious attention-seeking behavior) are even more harsh. The 9 Statements, 11 Rules and 9 Sins are absurd. Seek vengeance? Treat someone who annoys you in your own home cruelly and without mercy? Destroy someone who repeatedly irritates you in public? Choose a master wisely?
The fact that there is "lesser magic" and "greater magic" with rituals ...really?
In all, I find it to be a pretty douchey philosophy.
Ah, I see you've done much more thorough research of it than I have. Heh heh heh. I hadn't gotten most of the specifics, but it's good to see that those details live up to my first impression.
I had a conversation with one guy who was pressing himself upon me, trying to convince me that I should be a Satanist. There was some sort of list of 7 or 8 beliefs, and if you agree with those, you're a Satanist, according to him.
Uh, no ... no I'm not. This isn't at all like the atheism/agnosticism differentiation. Atheism and agnosticism aren't loaded down with all of this other bullshit. Atheism tells you nothing, except that the atheist doesn't believe in deities. Satanism is loaded down with all sorts of other crap. "Okay, now that's you've accepted the basics of our philosophy, here's some other crazy shit you should accept, too."
If you want to convince someone to accept some of the insane things in Laveyan Satanism, divine command would help. Otherwise, you can just pick and choose things that sound good, and then why have a philosophy in the first place, if you're going to ignore what you don't like?