Whenever I come out Atheist .. they assume I must have no ethics or morals whatsoever and that I am willing to do just about anything --- like lie, cheat and steal.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

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It's part of the "there's no morality without God syndrome."  I have news for them:  there's no morality without reason. 



Ah, if only that were true Richard. Then those of faith would have a harder time divorcing their behaviors and beliefs from morality. But plenty of other species demonstrate that which we recognize as morality, and they do it just fine without reason. This I think is a primary reason why we cannot reason with them that what they believe in is not only wrong but immoral - they simply do not feel the pull of reason upon them, yet they still feel the pull of morality. The theists are not, for the most part, pure evil. They are just like eye-less worms, struggling to find their way in the world absent the light that reason sheds.

Jedi Wanderer, And believing their eye-less, struggling, absence of reason is the only way and everyone else is doomed to eternal flames or eternal joy. Both sound pretty dreadful to me. 

I agree Richard. There is no morality without reason. There have been many crimes committed in the name of religion.

Richard, I agree. 

I am just being polite Jonathan. It's the way I am. You have not been unclear on here. Anyways, I hope your Friday is going well.
Oh and I never beg. : )

yes that happens to me as well, they ask if i worship the deveil 

Yes franky that's exactly what I'm talking about here. The reaction is either you are immoral and would do anything depraved, and/or you must worship Satan and/or you are mad at god. It drives me nuts!

my friend was trying to tell me that everyone who gets sent to jail and/or prison is an atheist because a christian would never commit a horrendous crime. we went online and looked at the stats, after i proved to him that less then one % of jail/prison inmates are atheist he continued to say that they all became christian after getting sent to prison. seems like no mater how much proof you show them they will always be blinded by their religious beliefs.

I worked in a prison for several years teaching inmates "life skills" and everyone is surprised to learn how few atheists reside there. Some rationalize that atheists don't reveal that on their personality profiles. I am here to tell you, the scariest prisoners are those who link aggression with religion. Few christian prisoners have a healthy sense of self, or other, or community in their dealings with other inmates and guards. They tend to be authoritarian, self-centered, action oriented, hold strong values that they impose on others without discussion. If I were younger I would do a study to find if my observations are correct. 

Wow Joan, very insightful! I would argue that they are highly egotistical, and that the authoritarian personality is a direct result of thinking that you know best and far better than anyone else, of being supremely self-confident and possessed of a sense of personal conviction that carries far beyond the limits of modesty, humility, or even a healthy dose of skepticism concerning your own self-worth. They have an inflated ego because their religion gives them this license; it tells them that they are god-like, immortal, connected to the divine, and that they have a direct connection with god himself, that they are his special interest and the whole world was created just for them! What an egocentric perspective on reality they have! And it is all taught to them from cradle to grave. No wonder there is no reasoning with them! They would have to accept a degradation in self-value, and really, who willingly does this without great inner strength, or a great tragedy in their lives, or both?

Jedi you said that so eloquently. I agree.




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